Mahogany Curls is now a Beauty Ambassador!

[LivingInPeace]

She has gorgeous hair! I wish her the best. I hope that black women with all textures, curl size etc., have the opportunity to represent hair care companies.

 

[ManeStreet]

That's subjective because it depends on the individual and their hair. Here's an example though: for most of us, Luster's Pink Oil Moisturizer was the devil. But growing up there were plenty 3b,3c Black women and kids who used it and loved it. It wasn't moisturizing or detangling enough to work for the majority of Black women, but for others who were fortunate to have less kinkier hair textures, it was just fine for them. Thus, they weren't holding products to the same "rigorous" standards that someone like me did.

Anyhoo, yall are really twisting my words. I don't know what you all mean by no one is celebrating her success because I clearly congratulated her and I'm happy for her. I just also mentioned that these hair care companies need to have more diversity. It's the same thing with the movie industry casting Paula Patton for every Black female role. Her look is not representative of the average Black woman. Yall act like there's something wrong with wanting a wide range of representations of Black people. We are our own worst enemy. Instead of advocating for more, we always are just so happy to settle when we finally get one foot in the door. Such backwards thinking.

ellebelle88

I asked you a few questions and I thought we were having an mature, open discussion being that this is a public forum.

I do however wonder why you felt the need to attempt to insult my intelligence

Maybe you are offended or becoming defensive? Maybe you are feeling attacked, but it was never my intention to insult, attack or offend you.

However, I do have another question for you:

Underlined above you stated "...but for others who were fortunate to have less kinkier hair textures..."

Is it your belief that people with less kinkier textures are more fortunate?

Is so, then common reasoning would deduce that you believe:

People with kinkier textures are less fortune. Is that also your belief?

Once again, this mature non-argumentative converstation. If you are uncomfortable with that then you are more than welcomed to ignore my questions and posts.

 

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Congratulations Mahogany Curls!!!!

 

[curlicarib]

As a 3-something, I can say with conviction, Pink Oil was the worst product I ever used. And I've never met anyone that has met any success using it - and my family is full of 3-somethings.

Congrats to MahoganyCurls! She deserves all of her success.

 

[nubiangoddess3]

ManeStreet


I think you are over analyzing and taking what Ellebelle88 is tying to say personally.

She is only saying that she hopes other hair types could be brand ambassadors for natural hair products, or black hair care products . I dont see how it is so hard to understand that someone wants to see their hair being shown and represented in product marketing for products and brands they support.


I think you guys are missing the bigger picture. Why cant 4s natural sister ever be the brand ambassadors for products. Like I stated before and I'll state again, these company are doing marketing scheme feeding off 4s natural sister money but not representing them in the marketing campaign.. Why is that???

 

[xxinsanexxchels]

People complain about ladies with 'more manageable' textures endorsements but the kinkier haired people barely be having views and followings. The companies go with the popularity

Exactly. This is why we should start giving support to our ladies with kinkier textures instead of creating divisions let's just support the other textures more as well.

 

[MileHighDiva]

I follow two kinky haired ladies on YT; kimmaytube and greenbeauty. Both of their channels are educational. Also, they have beautiful hair!

They're not waiting on companies to give them opportunities. Both ladies have created and market their own hair care lines.

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[ellebelle88]

I follow two kinky haired ladies on YT; kimmaytube and greenbeauty. Both of their channels are educational. Also, they have beautiful hair!

They're not waiting on companies to give them opportunities. Both ladies have created and market their own hair care lines.

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That's a problem. While I commend them for doing so, I'm not going to be silent on the fact that companies didn't want them representing their lines so they were forced to start their own.

 

[ellebelle88]

ellebelle88

I asked you a few questions and I thought we were having an mature, open discussion being that this is a public forum.

I do however wonder why you felt the need to attempt to insult my intelligence

Maybe you are offended or becoming defensive? Maybe you are feeling attacked, but it was never my intention to insult, attack or offend you.

However, I do have another question for you:

Underlined above you stated "...but for others who were fortunate to have less kinkier hair textures..."

Is it your belief that people with less kinkier textures are more fortunate?

Is so, then common reasoning would deduce that you believe:

People with kinkier textures are less fortune. Is that also your belief?

Once again, this mature non-argumentative conversation. If you are uncomfortable with that then you are more than welcomed to ignore my questions and posts.

Ok, first let me say that I'm not trying to insult you. nubiangoddess3 explained exactly my point: I just want more representation. I'm tired of seeing the same hair type represented when I'm outside of that and giving them my money.

So when you come at me as if I don't have the right to want more representation, I get offended because it's pretty much like you're saying to me "No you're not represented but just shut up and take it." As if I don't matter. I can't believe you are going back and forth with me over wanting a diverse group of Black women in ANY position. The fact that you want to engage in a back and forth about that, especially when you yourself are a Black woman is pretty insulting to me.

To your question -- The use of the word "fortunate" was definitely tongue-in-cheek, but it is also can be used literally in that context. Yes, many times back then those with looser hair were "fortunate" because us kinky textured women didn't have quality products, which is why relaxers were so common. Do I think that because my hair is kinkier, I'm less fortunate as a human being? No.

 

[Ogoma]

I think people should speak for themselves and their own experiences. If you felt unfortunate because of your hair texture, then say so. Don't extrapolate your hair issues to all kinky-haired ladies to give your point validity. You cannot speak to my experience as a kinky-haired girl/woman. I never felt unfortunate because of my hair and I used the same crap in the drugstore as 90% of the people around me of all races.

 

[MixedBerry]

Y'all a mess over here in the hair forums. Just a hot mess and some of y'all sound so ignorant. You don't know nothing about hair. Acting all brand new and crap. I bet some of y'all are really young too thinking just cause you cut a few chunks of hair off and ain't had a relaxer in a long while that suddenly you know errrthang about hair. OMG wow. Shut up!

And damn, not everyone is going to have poppin curls. That is a fricken fact. Accept it. Move on. Forgive the people that teased you about your hair and maybe start obsessing about something else like maybe being the first person to watch every movie on netflix. But that's not possible because they're constantly adding new selections all the time. But geesh, just end this pity-party-woe-is-me cause my ain't looking like her hair over there!

 

[bydebra]

ellebelle88 I get some of your points about looser textures, but it's not like Mahogany Curls sprang up out of nowhere. She has been documenting her hair journey from big chop to waist length...she was one of the first healthy hair vloggers I ever followed online. I remember when she briefly stopped making videos and I was really hoping that she would come back online.

Her tips about the Curly Girl Method, roller setting for hair straightening, and the fact that she is one of the few naturals of any texture that does not wear wigs/weaves have all really helped me on my journey, even when my hair was relaxed.

Now, I don't know her personally, but I am very happy for her. You are entitled to feel the way that you feel, but I just think Jess is not a good example for what you are trying to illustrate. She is relatable in a lot of ways - nice personality, military family, young wife and mother...plus she has helped a lot of other YTers and seems to have a good relationship with vlogger Jouelzy, who is 4c. They did a collab a year ago and if you watch Jouelzy's videos, she mentions Jess from time to time.

Again, I know what you are saying, but Jess is not a good example of texture discrimination, IMO. She should have gotten a deal like this a long time ago . There are some other YTers that seem to have sprang out of nowhere and gained popularity overnight, perhaps based on texture alone, but she is not one of them...

 

[ellebelle88]

ellebelle88 I get some of your points about looser textures, but it's not like Mahogany Curls sprang up out of nowhere. She has been documenting her hair journey from big chop to waist length...she was one of the first healthy hair vloggers I ever followed online. I remember when she briefly stopped making videos and I was really hoping that she would come back online.

Her tips about the Curly Girl Method, roller setting for hair straightening, and the fact that she is one of the few naturals of any texture that does not wear wigs/weaves have all really helped me on my journey, even when my hair was relaxed.

Now, I don't know her personally, but I am very happy for her. You are entitled to feel the way that you feel, but I just think Jess is not a good example for what you are trying to illustrate. She is relatable in a lot of ways - nice personality, military family, young wife and mother...plus she has helped a lot of other YTers and seems to have a good relationship with vlogger Jouelzy, who is 4c. They did a collab a year ago and if you watch Jouelzy's videos, she mentions Jess from time to time.

Again, I know what you are saying, but Jess is not a good example of texture discrimination, IMO. She should have gotten a deal like this a long time ago . There are some other YTers that seem to have sprang out of nowhere and gained popularity overnight, perhaps based on texture alone, but she is not one of them...

I like the girl too. But I would have definitely expected someone like her to get such an endorsement. She's no different from CurlyNikki in my opinion. They both are really helpful and really good at what they do...and the most important thing about them: they have 3b/c hair which made companies take notice. They deserve the opportunities they get to be on a larger platform, but so do so many other 4abc youtube hair bloggers who go unnoticed, regardless of how many followers they have.

I just don't get how you all are missing the very simple point I'm making: we need diversity. We shouldn't be choosing from one person whose a carbon copy of another. It's fine to have MahoganyCurls as an ambassador but can we get someone like CharyJay as well?

 

[SelahOco]

Mahogany Curls is very deserving. But I don't blame people for being a little gun shy about typing discrimination. I do think that there have been very deliberate strides made to portray diversity of natural textures.

I've seen lots of packaging and commercials featuring women with kinky textures.

When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Not to say the nails don't exist, but I think it's much better than years past.

Isn't Chary Jay the model for that hair humidifying company's packaging?

 

[MileHighDiva]

Mahogany Curls is very deserving. But I don't blame people for being a little gun shy about typing discrimination. I do think that there have been very deliberate strides made to portray diversity of natural textures.

I've seen lots of packaging and commercials featuring women with kinky textures.

When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Not to say the nails don't exist, but I think it's much better than years past.

Isn't Chary Jay the model for that hair humidifying company's packaging?

Yes, Char Jay is on the Huetiful packaging and ads. In addition, she's part of the TMS campaign that Chime and Monica are part of. I'm on my phone or I'd post pix.

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[oneastrocurlie]

I like the girl too. But I would have definitely expected someone like her to get such an endorsement. She's no different from CurlyNikki in my opinion. They both are really helpful and really good at what they do...and the most important thing about them: they have 3b/c hair which made companies take notice. They deserve the opportunities they get to be on a larger platform, but so do so many other 4abc youtube hair bloggers who go unnoticed, regardless of how many followers they have.

I just don't get how you all are missing the very simple point I'm making: we need diversity. We shouldn't be choosing from one person whose a carbon copy of another. It's fine to have MahoganyCurls as an ambassador but can we get someone like CharyJay as well?

Shea moisture is a business. Why would you pick a brand ambassador for some random YouTube video, with 50 followers, when there's someone who's basically been a SM product pusher (for free) for a good part of their hair journey? Oh and she had a huge boat load of followers? And it's clear whatever the heck she's doing is working and working very well. That's what's important. Is there a 4abc vlogger with the same?

 

[lamaria211]

Can we agree to disagree without calling each other names like ignorant and stupid. This ain't Love n Hip hop!

 

[bydebra]

I like the girl too. But I would have definitely expected someone like her to get such an endorsement. She's no different from CurlyNikki in my opinion. They both are really helpful and really good at what they do...and the most important thing about them: they have 3b/c hair which made companies take notice. They deserve the opportunities they get to be on a larger platform, but so do so many other 4abc youtube hair bloggers who go unnoticed, regardless of how many followers they have.

I just don't get how you all are missing the very simple point I'm making: we need diversity. We shouldn't be choosing from one person whose a carbon copy of another. It's fine to have MahoganyCurls as an ambassador but can we get someone like CharyJay as well?

The part highlighted in red above is what bothers me. How is their hair texture "the most important thing about them" ? I listed many qualities that Mahogany Curls offers, not to mention the high quality of her videos. Nikki has consistently put content out for years. It takes work to put content out for 5+ years and it takes a lot of guts to put yourself out there on the world wide web, or to take away time from your school work (both have degrees), husband, and child to be a hair care enthusiast online. Both Nikki and Mahogany Curls have put in work for years, and IMO, that is the "most important thing about them," regardless of hair texture/curl pattern.

As far as CharyJay, again, bad example. CharyJay has been a brand ambassador or representative of some sort for many companies and she was literally the face of Huetiful steamers. In addition to TMS and Huetiful, she has worked with Carol's Daughter and Koils by Nature, and a bunch of companies sponsored her website launch.

Can you list some of the YouTubers and bloggers that you think are going unnoticed? I would love to go and follow them and share their videos. I would love to have more subscribers on YouTube myself, but it's not something I feel any kind of way about. I started my channel to put the information out there into the universe to share, not to get sponsorships or endorsements (though that would be great ). But, that's just me. *shrugs*

 

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Shea moisture is a business. Why would you pick a brand ambassador for some random YouTube video, with 50 followers, when there's someone who's basically been a SM product pusher (for free) for a good part of their hair journey? Oh and she had a huge boat load of followers? And it's clear whatever the heck she's doing is working and working very well. That's what's important. Is there a 4abc vlogger with the same?

I agree with this. SM is a business not a civil rights movement, not a self esteem project or a non profit. They are in the business of making money. MC has a lot to offer companies. She is very marketable.

Why did her CONGRATULATIONS thread turn into a light skin/dark skin, good hair/bad hair thread????

The deep rooted issues that have been posted in this thread will not be solved by MC becoming beauty ambassador for SM

 

[lux10023]

exactly...wtheck is GOING ON IN HERE

I agree with this. SM is a business not a civil rights movement, not a self esteem project or a non profit. They are in the business of making money. MC has a lot to offer companies. She is very marketable.

Why did her CONGRATULATIONS thread turn into a light skin/dark skin, good hair/bad hair thread????

The deep rooted issues that have been posted in this thread will not be solved by MC becoming beauty ambassador for SM

 

[BFeathers]

I like her and her husband a lot. Congrats for her.

I don't know my hair type. My edges are kinky crispy and make me sad because no edge control can tame the wildebeest so I don't know if I could handle a whole head. It could be less kink under there but me and short hair are mortal enemies so I doubt I'll ever find out.

I've skimmed this thread and really, those who know their hair is 4a-c stop whining and start vlogging and get your name and hair out there as a representative. There's plenty of 4a-cs on LHCF so insta lots of followers so where's the whine? Like Nike...just do it.

I mean really. You have your pics on here so you aren't shy about your face being on the web so start making videos.

 

[Nayna]

I think another good point someone made it that she consistently used their products. Before becoming a beauty ambassador she was always a SM customer so this isn't a big stretch.

 

[wavezncurlz]

sigh...I avoided this thread because the responses seem so predictable.
I follow MC. She's close to my hair twin but my hair doesn't last like hers. I do agree she can probably have fabulous hair with any product. Mine starts off looking great but by day's end, I throw it up in a bun or stick.

That said, I mostly hair gurus with 4 type hair. Heck I learned to twist from a very kinky type 4 vlogger (I can't remember her name but her twistouts were awesome). Also, my younger girl has thick, long luscious type 4 hair and I've learned a lot from vloggers with type 3 hair that works on her.

I'm just happy to see a sister shine!

 

[nubiangoddess3]

I like her and her husband a lot. Congrats for her.

I don't know my hair type. My edges are kinky crispy and make me sad because no edge control can tame the wildebeest so I don't know if I could handle a whole head. It could be less kink under there but me and short hair are mortal enemies so I doubt I'll ever find out.

I've skimmed this thread and really, those who know their hair is 4a-c stop whining and start vlogging and get your name and hair out there as a representative. There's plenty of 4a-cs on LHCF so insta lots of followers so where's the whine? Like Nike...just do it.

I mean really. You have your pics on here so you aren't shy about your face being on the web so start making videos.

So by wanting more and better representation for 4's hair type we are whining... Please there are plenty of 4's vlogging and youtubing that are not getting deals, because of companies marketing scheme to use 3's hair as the universal hair type for their marketing company targeting the natural hair community.

But Let me stop whining because I see past the nonsense.

 

[MileHighDiva]

So by wanting more and better representation for 4's hair type we are whining... Please there are plenty of 4's vlogging and youtubing that are not getting deals, because of companies marketing scheme to use 3's hair as the universal hair type for their marketing company targeting the natural hair community.

But Let me stop whining because I see past the nonsense.

The biggest natural hair vlogger of them all Nap85 has turned down numerous opportunities, because she was try to be authentic and stick to juice and berries for her hair. She's a 4A.

 

[Lia3257]

She built her brand and that is how she got recognized. You have to do more than have "nice hair" (as y'all say). She is pretty, is able to draw a crowd, and has business sense.

She made herself a brand.

Jenell Stewart is doing the same thing, she now has a fitness side, a mommy side, hair side and even does makeup.

 

[Lia3257]

The biggest natural hair vlogger of them all Nap85 has turned down numerous opportunities, because she was try to be authentic and stick to juice and berries for her hair. She's a 4A.

Even she gave in, doesn't she work with Carols Daughter now?

Folks were mad at her for that...

 

[Lilmama1011]

Damn we are so messed up. We continue to divide one another. Light skin verses dark skin, hair typing and etc. Congratulations to her period.

 

[Ogoma]

The biggest natural hair vlogger of them all Nap85 has turned down numerous opportunities, because she was try to be authentic and stick to juice and berries for her hair. She's a 4A.

I was just going to mention this. I think my hair type is very well represented on YouTube.

 

[BostonMaria]

I used to have a hair channel years ago, but due to grad school and a busy work schedule I had to delete it.

I had like 300 subscribers and was sent hair products to review for free LOL How the heck did I get the products? I'm sure it was the hair. So maybe the 4's aren't so "crazy" with their comments. I am happy for Mahogany Curls and I hope she gets more endorsements, but common now let's tell the truth. And this is a 3b/3c typing away LOL