Is type 4b hair uncommon?

[Nonie]

Kurlee, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I think the reason I'm so adamant about what type 4b hair looks like is because I have that hair. My hair can look like Sera's if I follow the exact regimen she does. My hair looked like that until 2004 and while it wasn't long coz I didn't know how to handle it with care, it had "no pattern" which is why I knew w/o question that I was 4b when I saw the description. If you search the forum 2003, you will not see a post of me asking what my type was, coz that "no pattern" description was so clear to me the first time I came across types. I know it coz I've been natural 3/4 of my life.

When I joined the forum, my natural idols were people with hair like that. Mufasa, Daughter...were among my first idols coz they were two of the small handful of natural ladies here that had long hair of my texture (yes back then it was a case of spot the natural on LHCF; relaxed ladies were like 90-sth% of the members here. Or maybe the percentage was more, but to me hair like that I grew around (type 4-something hair) was natural hair and there was not a lot of it around LHCF that was not relaxed in 2003.)

Now I will tell you this, when my hair gets to Sera's length, you may never ever see it coily and it's not because it doesn't have coils. It's because I'd be darn out of my mind to risk letting that awesome mane tangle and therefore risk damaging it by allowing it to shrink. Heck I have only a short shrub of hair but do you see me doing WNGs? It's not just coz they won't show; heck I could do a chunky fro just for the heck of it because it's not like I need anyone to see my coils, but then who has to deal with it later? Nah suh! I love to comb my hair out not just coz I think afros are flyyy, but also because keeping my strands separated makes my hair easy to deal with. It's also why I keep my hair braided or twisted, not coz I couldn't show off some bomb loose hairdos, but I'm trying to keep my sanity and hair, thank you very much. If you watched my YT undoing twists, you get an idea of how I deal with my hair. I make every effort to separate strands. My hair is still short so while my friend seems to think that takes forever, it doesn't coz my hair is not long. And also it's not overwhelming coz I work on one skinny section at a time. If I had my hair out, all of it out, that'd not be going on here. I'd be wearing it stretched all the time. There'd be no hint of a coil in it.

Another thing, my hair seems to shrink more now than when it was shorter so again, I'd be crazy to keep allowing shrinkage when it gets to Sera's length. Mwedzi's hair is almost as long as Sera's and she's the only daredevil I know who's willing to do my crazy experiments of not manipulating her hair except to keep strands separated with fingers when CWing and while it's drying so that it returns to its resting phase ie coil phase.

(Oh before I forget: about shrinkage without a coil in sight, been there. This was 2003. My hair was about 9-11 inches or maybe shorter coz I'd done a big trim due to thin ends the same month and I'm not sure which came first. But my hair was definitely not shorter than 6 inches. These pics taken around that time show you what my hair was like stretched before and after the trim. I was in braids and redoing them by undoing a braid and trimming the hair. The pics of my shrunken hair were taken when I was getting ready to put braids back in after having been in braids for over a year. That's why I don't know the chronological order coz I live in braids. The trim pics may have been during the first set of braids before the shrunken pic or during the second set after the shrunken pic.)

Anyway, I'ma give my fingers a rest and your eyes a break. Just wanted to throw in my two cents (OK maybe it was more like a Benjamin). Don't know why coz we all decided our hair is 4-something anyway.

 

[Neith]

Just to complicate things further... lol

Manipulation can totally change the appearance your texture

Especially with kinky/nappy hair. I'm so happy to have it (no offense to anyone). They don't say that it's the most versatile hair type for nothing. I find that my hair is mallable... I can go kinky, kinky-straight, coily, wavy, and curly. All with some lustrasilk and coconut oil and absolutely no heat.

Here is my hair today (dry combed out in small sections, added coconut oil):

 

[Daughter]

Would suggesting that 4's are more like a compact/compressed spring unless stretched out with some product and tend to grow out rather than down and shrink in a way that can create an afro that's round like a microphone:

...as seen above, while while 3's resemble a stretched-out spring in addition to having bigger coils and usually would form a floppy afro as seen below make matters worse?

Even then there are exceptions to that rule. I cannot get a round proper from for love nor money, yet my cousins who have distinctly type 3 hair managed to get Angela Davis lookin' fros back in the 70s. Our hair is so diverse!

 

[Nonie]

Even then there are exceptions to that rule. I cannot get a round proper from for love nor money, yet my cousins who have distinctly type 3 hair managed to get Angela Davis lookin' fros back in the 70s. Our hair is so diverse!

So how hair behaves I guess cannot be used to describe what type it is.

Maybe hair is like a light spectrum: Hard to tell where one type ends and another begins, since they seem to blend into each other going from one extreme to the other.

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[whitedaisez]

4b hair has to be coily. Hair comes in straight, wavy, curly, and kinky/nappy... all type 4 hair is kinky/nappy/coily. Type 4b

Kinky/nappy is not even a hair shape, so has little to do with hair typing.

That doesn't mean that it has a defined curl pattern, but what makes it kinky/nappy is the coils/kinks in the texture.

Please RE-read my comment again. I said, Sera has "NO curl pattern". To have a curl pattern, your hair must first have curls, then they must be DEFINED, hence the pattern. 4Bs like Sera have neither curls nor pattern, therefore like I said earlier, they have NO CURL PATTERN.

Hair devoid of any curl/coil/wave/kink is straight.

You are correct BUT, 4Bs have zig-zag hair that is not defined. Therefore their hair is NOT straight.

There is plenty of texture in her hair.[/COLOR]

I never said she doesn't have texture. I said, like a classic 4b, she has "NO curl pattern" (NO CURL, NO PATTERN)

 

[whitedaisez]

You obviously have not been in my class.

Sera's hair has no curls because it's manipulated. It looks like my hair when it's manipulated. DesiRae is definitely in Team 4-something in my book. (OT, I love love love the natural sheen in her hair and how dark it is. Desi, can you please BC your hair back to that, pretty please? And then don't grow it any longer than that. Then call me coz I think I just fell in love. BTW, OP, you can see how much DesiRae's hair reflects light compared to mine yet she's still 4-Something. Showing that shiny/silky and dull/rough looking could all be within the same group.)

Am sorry, I didn't plan on attending any "classes" when I came to this thread. Sera's hair was barely manipulated on that page, she was getting ready to put her hair in twists. Look at all her other pics, she has no curls anywhere. When her hair is manipulated, it looks almost straight but stringly.

 

[Neith]

Kinky/nappy is not even a hair shape, so has little to do with hair typing.


Please RE-read my comment again. I said, Sera has "NO curl pattern". To have a curl pattern, your hair must first have curls, then they must be DEFINED, hence the pattern. 4Bs like Sera have neither curls nor pattern, therefore like I said earlier, they have NO CURL PATTERN.

You are correct BUT, 4Bs have zig-zag hair that is not defined. Therefore their hair is NOT straight.

I never said she doesn't have texture. I said, like a classic 4b, she has "NO curl pattern" (NO CURL, NO PATTERN)

Kinky - tightly coiled: full of tight coils

Right in the dictionary. http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/kinky.html

Nappy is more of a slang word that is VERY widely used. I know you've seen it used around here especially.



If type 4a has coils, and 4b doesn't... why are they in the same category? They ARE related, of course. Type 4 hair = coils Defined or not.


If you don't have coils or kinks, you don't have type 4 hair. The presence of coils/kinks is what MAKES your hair type 4. I think Sera has very kinky hair.

"Curl pattern" doesn't always mean ringlets.

The "pattern" may be irregular, but it's what makes the texture. The fact is, the hair IS twisting and turning somewhere... even if it doesn't make a perfect coil.

Wavy hair doesn't make a perfect curl either, but don't we call type 2 a curl pattern? It may not be technically right, but I usually take it as a given that people use the terms differently depending on what you're talking about.

4b usually is tiny, kinky coils. Just because people can't define them doesn't mean they aren't there. Some people have highly kinky hair that doesn't readily form a coil. Some type 4 hair isn't very kinky. There is a lot of variety, but it's all under TYPE 4 for a reason. Imo.

This thread explains kinky coils vs smooth coils:

http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=387886


ETA:

Just because I disagree with you or quote you doesn't mean I have a problem with you on a personal level. Just in case. lol

 

[Kurlee]

Kinky - tightly coiled: full of tight coils

Right in the dictionary. http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/kinky.html

Nappy is more of a slang word that is VERY widely used. I know you've seen it used around here especially.



If type 4a has coils, and 4b doesn't... why are they in the same category? They ARE related, of course. Type 4 hair = coils Defined or not.


If you don't have coils or kinks, you don't have type 4 hair. The presence of coils/kinks is what MAKES your hair type 4. I think Sera has very kinky hair.

"Curl pattern" doesn't always mean ringlets.

The "pattern" may be irregular, but it's what makes the texture. The fact is, the hair IS twisting and turning somewhere... even if it doesn't make a perfect coil.

Wavy hair doesn't make a perfect curl either, but don't we call type 2 a curl pattern? It may not be technically right, but I usually take it as a given that people use the terms differently depending on what you're talking about.

4b usually is tiny, kinky coils. Just because people can't define them doesn't mean they aren't there. Some people have highly kinky hair that doesn't readily form a coil. Some type 4 hair isn't very kinky. There is a lot of variety, but it's all under TYPE 4 for a reason. Imo.

This thread explains kinky coils vs smooth coils:

http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=387886


ETA:

Just because I disagree with you or quote you doesn't mean I have a problem with you on a personal level. Just in case. lol

so if this line of reasoning is true, what type of hair does Sera have?

 

[Neith]

so if this line of reasoning is true, what type of hair does Sera have?

Type 4. 4b probably.

Here is a pic of her hair wet:

http://public.fotki.com/Sera252/all_about_hair/months_14-24/14th_month/picture_10.html

Funny... I think see some coils there on the ends. (Don't shoot me, y'all)

 

[Nonie]

Sera has the type of hair that I have. 4B. It does have definition. If Sera were to take a section of her hair (and treat it like I treat mine): shampoo or clarify, then apply conditioner and comb it right through. Then DC (no combs allowed from this point on) with heat (I'd even suggest using Roux Porosity Control). Then rinse again only fingers allowed to separate strands--involves stretching them to separate. Then ACV rinse using a very dilute solution of ACV. And made this her regimen, I dare say she'd see curls. No product as a leave-in necessary.

Because she's manipulated her hair a lot to get where it is (and manipulation means keeping it stretched in braids or banding, rarely letting it shrink to its maximum shrinkage), she may have to do this again. I can bet my bottom dollar that her hair will coil up. Some may call it random coiling but it will coil up. No one's hair grows out of her head in zigzags. NOBODY.

To show you just what a difference manipulation can make especially if done for so long, look at her earlier photos and tell me if her puff in these photos doesn't look coily:

http://public.fotki.com/Sera252/all_about_hair/months_14-24/14th_month/picture_039_jpg2.html

http://public.fotki.com/Sera252/all_about_hair/months_14-24/14th_month/picture_044.html

In the photo below, look at the center of her puff, not the part that is obviously wavy from whatever style she wore before (I've got a pic with those waves too but I mean the part with no waves). You're telling me you don't see coils?
http://public.fotki.com/Sera252/all_about_hair/months_14-24/15th_month/month15cont_009.html

The ends of her twist form the coils/clumps that anyone with coily hair knows only too well. Hard to see it on the twists to our right but there's no mistaking them on the twists to our left:
http://public.fotki.com/Sera252/all_about_hair/months_14-24/15th_month/month15cont_081.html

As I said, it is usually only only when you allow your hair to shrink, that you will see the coils:
http://public.fotki.com/Sera252/all_about_hair/months_14-24/16th_month/end_of_month_16_070.html

If you still don't see coils in this puff, then I guess circular shapes are all in the eye of the beholder:
http://public.fotki.com/Sera252/all_about_hair/months_14-24/19th_month/19th_monthcontd5_022b.html
The little circular shapes

Whitedaisez, I beg your pardon but I wasn't saying about "missing my class" to be rude. I guess I just have a weird sense of humor or you're rather touchy.

BTW, Sera's coils are way larger than mine. If you look at that last pic whose link I gave (this one) and compare it with the one below (same size pic), you can clearly see that while her coils are visible, mine look just like a gray mist. No texture coily/curly texture visible. Her hair reminds me of my 4A phony puff in that pic. Maybe she's 4 a/b. She has larger coils than my teeny ones but is still 4-sth:

BTW, I am not talking about stuff I do not know. My mom's hair appeared to have no pattern when she came to see me:

But after I'd tossed out her regimen and given her mine, her hair formed cute little circles that would make this perfect microphone shape:

Oh, and I found another photo of my hair after being manipulated in braids showing what appears to be "no pattern" (see attachment).

 

[Rocky91]

whoa-ladies up in this piece going hard. all we need is a compilation-and we'll have ourselves a doctoral thesis.
don't mind me-i'm just acting a fool at two in the morning when i should be sleeping.
and don't misinterpret my clowning-it's definitely an interesting subject, this hair typing thing...

 

[jupitermoon]

whoa-ladies up in this piece going hard. all we need is a compilation-and we'll have ourselves a doctoral thesis.
don't mind me-i'm just acting a fool at two in the morning when i should be sleeping.
and don't misinterpret my clowning-it's definitely an interesting subject, this hair typing thing...

Yes. The ladies are breaking the hair typing thing down in this thread. I am just sitting back reading all of these posts. They are all interesting and I've learned a lot about the variations in human hair from this thread. I thank everyone for their contributions to this thread.

 

[MizzBrit]

interesting!

 

[whitedaisez]

Whitedaisez, I beg your pardon but I wasn't saying about "missing my class" to be rude. I guess I just have a weird sense of humor or you're rather touchy.

Well am sorry but ur "weird" sense of humor came off arrogant to me. PLEASE use them around those you actually know.

You're making this harder than it needs to be. Maybe your eyes are just different (maybe too meticulous) but from what "I" see, Sera has NO curls/coils in any of her pictures posted. I dunno how de heck a smooth curl vs kinky curl applies to this but ACCORDING to ANDRE, 4B strands are "Z-like" (not smoooth or rough or kinky CURLS/COILS).

Sera's Z-like shaped strands become more visible when her hair is drenched but not when it is dry. Nonetheless, no curls/coils appear.
In fact, none of the pics you posted manipulated or not, have any curls or patterns.
As far as am concerned this model is not very insightful so i wont enter into an argumentative brawl with you over who has clear vision or who is hallucinating. Maybe you can take it up with the person who established the model and interrogate them on kinky vs smooth; curl vs coil; wet vs dry; etc etc etc....
Toodles.

 

[Nonie]

Well am sorry but ur "weird" sense of humor came off arrogant to me. PLEASE use them around those you actually know.

You're making this harder than it needs to be. Maybe your eyes are just different (maybe too meticulous) but from what "I" see, Sera has NO curls/coils in any of her pictures posted. I dunno how de heck a smooth curl vs kinky curl applies to this but ACCORDING to ANDRE, 4B strands are "Z-like" (not smoooth or rough or kinky CURLS/COILS).

Sera's Z-like shaped strands become more visible when her hair is drenched but not when it is dry. Nonetheless, no curls/coils appear.
In fact, none of the pics you posted manipulated or not, have any curls or patterns.
As far as am concerned this model is not very insightful so i wont enter into an argumentative brawl with you over who has clear vision or who is hallucinating. Maybe you can take it up with the person who established the model and interrogate them on kinky vs smooth; curl vs coil; wet vs dry; etc etc etc....
Toodles.

OK, so none of the pics I posted have curls? Do you mean even in my very own puff? Or were you just referring to Sera's? And if you do not see curls in Sera's puff, did you see them in the phony puff I claimed was 4A or in the pic I posted beside it earlier in this thread?

 

[Daughter]

Kinky/nappy is not even a hair shape, so has little to do with hair typing.


Please RE-read my comment again. I said, Sera has "NO curl pattern". To have a curl pattern, your hair must first have curls, then they must be DEFINED, hence the pattern. 4Bs like Sera have neither curls nor pattern, therefore like I said earlier, they have NO CURL PATTERN.

You are correct BUT, 4Bs have zig-zag hair that is not defined. Therefore their hair is NOT straight.

I never said she doesn't have texture. I said, like a classic 4b, she has "NO curl pattern" (NO CURL, NO PATTERN)

Are curl pattern and curl definition the same things? I think that's where we're all getting our wires crossed. My 4b hair most definitely has curls, tiny, random shaped (as opposed to uniform) curls and coils...

 

[Sammie7]

Ok, I can't hold my tongue anymore. LOL I think Sera is my hair twin or at least cousin, because it acts just like my hair. Have you all forgotten that Sera is on Youtube now? Here is a video that shows her coils, very clearly. Mind, that her hair is wet, BUT the curl pattern is definitely there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwlWALUgQLI They are kind of fuzzy, just like mine, but they are there. HTH

 

[loulou82]

Ok, I can't hold my tongue anymore. LOL I think Sera is my hair twin or at least cousin, because it acts just like my hair. Have you all forgotten that Sera is on Youtube now? Here is a video that shows her coils, very clearly. Mind, that her hair is wet, BUT the curl pattern is definitely there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwlWALUgQLI They are kind of fuzzy, just like mine, but they are there. HTH

Thanks for posting! Her hair is lovely and I see the coil pattern. Particularly at the 4:50 minute mark to the end of the video.

 

[Neith]

Well am sorry but ur "weird" sense of humor came off arrogant to me. PLEASE use them around those you actually know.

You're making this harder than it needs to be. Maybe your eyes are just different (maybe too meticulous) but from what "I" see, Sera has NO curls/coils in any of her pictures posted. I dunno how de heck a smooth curl vs kinky curl applies to this but ACCORDING to ANDRE, 4B strands are "Z-like" (not smoooth or rough or kinky CURLS/COILS).

Sera's Z-like shaped strands become more visible when her hair is drenched but not when it is dry. Nonetheless, no curls/coils appear.
In fact, none of the pics you posted manipulated or not, have any curls or patterns.
As far as am concerned this model is not very insightful so i wont enter into an argumentative brawl with you over who has clear vision or who is hallucinating. Maybe you can take it up with the person who established the model and interrogate them on kinky vs smooth; curl vs coil; wet vs dry; etc etc etc....
Toodles.

Then why would Andre put it into TYPE 4? If it doesn't have the same rough shape as 4a?

I dunno what else to tell you. Other people see the coils in Sera's hair. I'm not blind.

Everyone else is wrong, right? Everyone else is hallucinating?

Maybe YOU like to participate in argumentative brawls, but I don't. No one here DID anything to you. Lawd have mercy SO hostile.

Why can't we just be ADULTS and have a CIVIL discussion?

Anyways, I forigive you. Should have read your siggy first.

 

[Nonie]

Are curl pattern and curl definition the same things? I think that's where we're all getting our wires crossed. My 4b hair most definitely has curls, tiny, random shaped (as opposed to uniform) curls and coils...

To me they are the same thing, but what I found out is that to a lot of people "definition" means "clumping". I didn't know this for a long time so when people would ask "What do you use to get coil definition?" I'd be there saying "S Curl" thinking they are using the word define as in "to make clear" which to me meant change the hair from looking shapeless to being coily. And then I'd post pics of a combed-out afro probably making those who understood it differently go coz they were looking for something like KCCC and Knot Today that actually causes clumping and gives a shingled look.

 

[anon123]

Then why would Andre put it into TYPE 4? If it doesn't have the same rough shape as 4a?

Do you think there is a definite hard line between type 3 and 4?

I was detangling my hair today and noting the difference between my nape and the rest of my hair. I can't believe that tiny bit of texture difference makes such a noticeable difference in my hair. The nape has ever so slightly bigger curls. The knots are bigger in my nape, meaning they include more hairs, but they came apart more easily. It's like the strands themselves are silkier. It just made we realize that it's hard for us to tell about someone's hair from just looking at pics, because I doubt anyone looking at my hair would be able to discern that difference just from looking at pictures of my hair.

 

[andromeda]

I'm amazed by her hair...

 

[Neith]

Do you think there is a definite hard line between type 3 and 4?

I was detangling my hair today and noting the difference between my nape and the rest of my hair. I can't believe that tiny bit of texture difference makes such a noticeable difference in my hair. The nape has ever so slightly bigger curls. The knots are bigger in my nape, meaning they include more hairs, but they came apart more easily. It's like the strands themselves are silkier. It just made we realize that it's hard for us to tell about someone's hair from just looking at pics, because I doubt anyone looking at my hair would be able to discern that difference just from looking at pictures of my hair.

It meshes at some point.

Before I BC'd I thought my nape might be 3C. Then after I BC'd I figured that it was just my fine-normal section, not a different hairtype. I dunno.

I took a bunch of pics of my hair yesterday and got to the spots back there that I normally can't see (conditioner on dry hair pic). So yeah, there is overlap and people in between.

It's true... slight differences make a whole new head of hair. and one picture doesn't always tell the whole story.

 

[Neith]

View attachment 43660
I'm amazed by her hair...

Soooooo pretty! My gosh!

 

[Kurlee]

Then why would Andre put it into TYPE 4? If it doesn't have the same rough shape as 4a?

I dunno what else to tell you. Other people see the coils in Sera's hair. I'm not blind.

Everyone else is wrong, right? Everyone else is hallucinating?

Maybe YOU like to participate in argumentative brawls, but I don't. No one here DID anything to you. Lawd have mercy SO hostile.

Why can't we just be ADULTS and have a CIVIL discussion?

Anyways, I forigive you. Should have read your siggy first.

I don't think there will ever be a general consensus because perception is everything and everyone is seeing different things and defining them differently. Everyone is going to a have a hair texture/pattern, but just because it's not straight, doesn't mean it's automatically curly. Someone spoke about wavy hair. Yes the pattern may be irregular but none the less it is AN S pattern that you see. 3's make a tighter S and then 4a makes the tightest S and lastly 4b with the Z.

In the video and in the pics just posted, I see the Z shaped pattern that Andre described. Coils are like o's stack on top of each other like a pen spring. She doesn't have that. She has a zig zag but no hair actually curling like a telephone cord. Even with products her hair would never make S shapes. That is the distinction, IMO, between 4a and 4b. 4a is the teeny tiny coils and curls like glamazon (though i see a little 3c in her hair too) but the have a rounded S shape to them. The zig zags like sera are 4b. Shine, sheen, silk, etc are not the determining factors. Smallest group of curls = 4a and then 4b = zig zaggish, cotton candyish hair, no curls, or o's just zig zag.

But judging by this thread, it will be impossible for there to be a general consensus across the board. Maybe to make it simpler and just say type 4. No one can argue that really?

 

[NerdSauce]

I find it really annoying when people say things like 4b doesn't exist or zig zags can't exist (so.. they're not in your head. mmks. who knows beyond that?) but at the end of the day I DON'T have 4b hair and I'm taking Nonie's and Mwedzi's and all those other people's word for it.

Also, 4-something ftw. I settled on that like, 25 pages ago. :]

 

[Nonie]

Kurlee, what does a coil look like side view when stretched? Zigzag. Sera's hair is stretched with product. If she had a product that wasn't as heavy as that (say water) and she let her hair dry undisturbed, I can bet my bottom dollar it'd contract to form a coily shape. It's no different from this coil/spring below

I have 4B hair and while it normally doesn't appear to have a uniform pattern due to manipulation, when I let it "rest" and take up its undisturbed state, it forms coils. When you pull on those coils, they look zigzag as seen on the strands at the top of the pic below but when you release them they contract back to a spring at rest shape as seen in the strands toward the bottom of the pic:

 

[Neith]

I don't think there will ever be a general consensus because perception is everything and everyone is seeing different things and defining them differently. Everyone is going to a have a hair texture/pattern, but just because it's not straight, doesn't mean it's automatically curly. Someone spoke about wavy hair. Yes the pattern may be irregular but none the less it is AN S pattern that you see. 3's make a tighter S and then 4a makes the tightest S and lastly 4b with the Z.

In the video and in the pics just posted, I see the Z shaped pattern that Andre described. Coils are like o's stack on top of each other like a pen spring. She doesn't have that. She has a zig zag but no hair actually curling like a telephone cord. Even with products her hair would never make S shapes. That is the distinction, IMO, between 4a and 4b. 4a is the teeny tiny coils and curls like glamazon (though i see a little 3c in her hair too) but the have a rounded S shape to them. The zig zags like sera are 4b. Shine, sheen, silk, etc are not the determining factors. Smallest group of curls = 4a and then 4b = zig zaggish, cotton candyish hair, no curls, or o's just zig zag.

But judging by this thread, it will be impossible for there to be a general consensus across the board. Maybe to make it simpler and just say type 4. No one can argue that really?

To the bolded - I said all of that and brought up wavy hair in this thread

I think that 4b hair can be coils, but it can also have irregular kinks throughout the coils... which prevent the coil from fully forming. It's an irregular "curl pattern"

but then I looked at more of Sera's pics and started seeing a pattern in there. Like I said, I think she has very kinky coils.

You see zigzags, I see stretched out/manipulated coils in that video. My hair looks similar with henna put on it. You can sorta see it with just conditioner too.

See that "z" pattern? Stretched out coils.

Not saying that we have the same type of hair, but there are similarities. Her hair also looks to be a regular "curl pattern" in the way that it forms clumps.

Even though some hair has too many "kinks" to form perfect coils on its own, the "base shape" of type 4 hair is coily.

Hair only comes in varying degrees of waves, curls and coils or straight.

There is no other shape that I'm aware of. It either makes rounded waves and loops or it's straight. A wave is a stretched out curl. "z" pattern is a stretched out coil imo.

Sorry for posting pictures left and right, but visual aides help. lol

Now... I'm officially tired of hairtypes. I'm nearing the point where I say to hell with it all. but I know one day it will hook me in again. Vicious cycle.

 

[Nonie]

Sorry for posting pictures left and right, but visual aides help. lol

Don't be sorry. A picture speaks a thousand words and I personally love visuals, so thank you.

 

[winnettag]

I have a headache.