Proudpiscean
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Shine=glistening or radiance;hair that shines reflects light better than hair that has sheen because it's not as tightly curled or coiled. So the light reflects from it better..... I think that's the main difference.
Ms_Twana said:LOL!!! Okay, so back to my question on the definition of coarse. So, is coarse hair not soft or silky???
Ms_Twana said:LOL!!! Okay, so back to my question on the definition of coarse. So, is coarse hair not soft or silky???
Ms_Twana said:Okay, I'm about to open another can of worms. What exactly is the definition of kinky and course?? And how do you know if your strands are densely packed together??
I have coffee stirrer sized coils (I think I've said that a million times now, SORRY), yet my newgrowth is soft and shines a lot more than my relaxed hair. (And that could be because of the chemicals). And I have sections that are "baby hair" fine. I haven't had any issues with managing my newgrowth as of yet. It's soft to comb through. So what texture does that make it?? And what is the difference between shine and sheen?? Cuz I don't get that either.
bmoreflyygirl said:I'd say 4a. That coil looks like the coils in my hair.
Cheleigh said:Well, she (Ouidad) considers your loose, medium, or kinky curled hair to have a fine texture unless you are Asian or Native American. She considers those two to often have coarse hair. I know my hair is NOT coarse. I have lots of strands so my hair looks thick and coarse, but it's not.
I think she would consider folks in the 3a and 3b categories to be curly, people in the 2a-2c to be loose, and 3c-4b to be kinky.
If I'm typing my hair, I tend to use the LOIS definition. I am an S-O with fine and medium strands and a cottony/spongy texture.
Shine is traditionally seen on either straight haired folks or folks with silky hair textures. Shine reflects light brightly. Sheen is a duller reflection of light--the hair looks a little flat without bright light. The curlier the hair, generally, the less shine and the more sheen it has.
An example of sheen (on my own hair):
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL484/2350068/12252043/166519057.jpg
BlackCardinal said:Coarseness: refers to thickness (DIAMETER) of the strand alone. Large diameter = coarse, small diameter = fine.
Density: refers to thickness of the hair as in NUMBER OF STRANDS on your head. Lots = thick, less = thin.
Soft: what kind of conditioner are you using? But yeah, maleability depends on your moisture retention. I guess because some hair types retain water better than others without a lot of extra effort, softness is often viewed as an intrinsic quality. But to say that certain types just "aren't" soft or can't be soft would be wrong.
Shine: If your cuticles are laying down properly, your strands should be shiny. That's just the way hair is. The reason why people talk about sheeny vs. shiny is because the size of your curl pattern will determine the overall visual effect as your hair strands reflect light. If you have a lot of texture (as in smaller curl size or wavelength) your hair will reflect the light in more directions than someone with larger curls or straight hair. This is purely physics, ladies. Smooth = shine, more crinkles = sheen. But understand that sheen IS shine, just on smaller surface areas.
The problem is that these properties are all separate technically, BUT we tend to see a lot of correlations IRL, and that's why people falsely think all x's have/do y, etc, when there are actually a lot of cases when that isn't true. It's like if you give an example of something folks latch onto it and start acting like that's the definition of 4a or 4b or 3c or whatever.
Now my personal opinion is that if your system requires "exceptions" that include a very large number of people (like, say, "Asians" lol), your system needs to be improved. Don't marry coarseness and curl pattern when you know that the people who tend to have the coarsest hair (Asians) AND the people with the finest hair (Scandinavians) both tend to have poker straight hair. It just doesn't make any sense to me. We should just talk about each property in turn instead of trying to combine things under one heading.
Sorry for the long post...I just get annoyed by stuff like this that really is just unnecessarily complicated.
Ayeshia said:I dunno I always defined myself as a fluffy or cottony 3c...but yet Ive seen people with my exact curl pattern but just silkier...so maybe I am a 4a...hmmm.
silky when wet/damp...fluffy when dry, no shine...only when I slick it back with product i get shine/waves in the root area.Ms_Twana said:Okay, see your hair looks silky to me. I would put you in the 3 category.
No problem.....my album is public anywayMs_Twana said:Okay, see your hair looks silky to me. I would put you in the 3 category. Especially if if looks like this:
http://public.fotki.com/Ayeshia21/hair/img0020.html
Sorry to steal your pic. I promise I won't use it for anything!!!! LOL!!
So this is aying it's the type of curl pattern you have that makes you 3 or 4 not if your hair is fine, silky, or coarse. But they still contradicted themselves all over the website.dynamic1 said:NC did contradict their own definition of 3c by putting Fadya's hair in the 4a category. But her hair is beautiful whatever the type!
Here is their definition
"Type 3C, is hair with tight curls in corkscrews. The curls can be either kinky, or very tightly curled, with lots and lots of strands densely packed together. Some people refer to this as "big hair." Getting this type of hair to blowdry straight is more challenging than for 3A or 3B, but it usually can be done. This includes those with very tight curls but finer hair, as well as coarser hair. 3C has really really tight curls, like pencil or straw circumference. 3B is like sidewalk chalk or salt shaker circumference, and 4A is like coffee stirrer circumference."
Ayeshia said:silky when wet/damp...fluffy when dry, no shine...only when I slick it back with product i get shine/waves in the root area.
Lucia said:So this is aying it's the type of curl pattern you have that makes you 3 or 4 not if your hair is fine, silky, or coarse. But they still contradicted themselves all over the website.
OS and Fia are a little better.
LocksOfLuV said:So IS there such thing as a 3c or what?
Ms_Twana said:Okay, see ya'll gone have my mirror in my hand all night trying to figure this stuff out!!!
Okay, and IS there a 4c???[/quote]
That was my next question!
bmoreflyygirl said:No somebody made it up and people just ran with it. It wasn't originally part of the system. That's probably why it causes so much confusion.
Ms_Twana said:Okay, see ya'll gone have my mirror in my hand all night trying to figure this stuff out!!!
Okay, and IS there a 4c???
Ms_Twana said:Okay, let me ask this question. Do you ladies find that your hair is silkier when it's pulled back?? I had my hair pulled back all week, and the parts that layed the flattest (front, sides, and back) are really silky. But the part in the middle.....WHEW!!!