my hair looks a hot mess ladies*Heavy Pics of Fresh Perm*

[Kayanna1212]

Ugh look at my freshly permed hair laides i couldnt make it 6 weeks without a perm Ill try going natrual in the summer lol!
its to tough
Ok but umm look at this i cant claim shoulder length
my HAIR IS SO THIN
Groganics didnt do *ish* for me( It thinned my hair out!!
Heres some pics from the perm as of 3/31/09
i just blowdried and greased with ORS Olive Oil.
Its soo FREAKING short. i wanna cry

 

[quasimodi]

Oh, don't cry. One thing for sure about hair is that it definitely grows.

What's your regimen? Maybe one of the lovely ladies on the board can give you some useful advice on how to get and retain length.

I'm natural, myself, but my hair has never been so healthy and I've never retained as much length as it has since I've joined LHCF. The advice and knowledge that I've gotten on this board is priceless.

 

[Tamrin]

Don't be discouraged. It will get better. First thing first, cut out the blow drying. Deep condition your hair with a moisturizing Mask/deep conditioner every week. Roller set roller set and roller set. Bun as much as you can. If you want to stretch longer, get kinky twists or box braids for the summer and keep it moisturized using a braid spray. Stretching is essential to thicker healthier hair. Once or twice a year you may want to get your ends dusted. Its all about care and protection.

 

[Kayanna1212]

Oh, don't cry. One thing for sure about hair is that it definitely grows.

What's your regimen? Maybe one of the lovely ladies on the board can give you some useful advice on how to get and retain length.

I'm natural, myself, but my hair has never been so healthy and I've never retained as much length as it has since I've joined LHCF. The advice and knowledge that I've gotten on this board is priceless.

Regim Includes:
Wash hair every 2 weeks with Suave Trop Coconut Poo&Conidsh
Sometimes use diffrent shampoo i rotate with Suave and ORS
Sometimes Blowdry or Airdry
Grease hair with creme' based Olive Oil ORS every 2-3 days 6/7 days of the week
Perm Hair every 6-7 weeks i cant stand the newgrowth or my hair will break severly
Thats about it.

PLEASE DONT BAD TALK ME IM JUST LEARNING SIMPLE PRACTICES OF HAIR!!

 

[Avan207]

Ok, here's something that might help, take a multi vitamin and supplement with biotin, calcium(w/mag & zinc) and b6( so you don't break out from the biotin). Drink lots of water.

Don't grease your hair, jusst moisturize and seal with oil (olive oil, hot six oil, not mineral)

Did you ever get your ends clipped? you won't see growth if you are getting breakage from split ends.

I could go on but saleemah did it for me!

Check out this link

http://www.healthyhairjourney.com/untitled2.html

Ps. not endorsing products, although I am sure they are good, just her common sense practices.

 

[mkd]

Sounds like maybe you should incorporate a DC.

 

[shasha8685]

Regim Includes:
Wash hair every 2 weeks with Suave Trop Coconut Poo&Conidsh
Sometimes use diffrent shampoo i rotate with Suave and ORS
Sometimes Blowdry or Airdry
Grease hair with creme' based Olive Oil ORS every 2-3 days 6/7 days of the week
Perm Hair every 6-7 weeks i cant stand the newgrowth or my hair will break severly
Thats about it.

PLEASE DONT BAD TALK ME IM JUST LEARNING SIMPLE PRACTICES OF HAIR!!

You definitely need to incorporate a good deep conditioner into your regimen! I've found that deep conditioning definitely helps make my new growth more manageable during my stretch. I would also suggest using a sulfate free shampoo as well. Have you tried washing your hair weekly instead of bi-weekly?

 

[msa]

Regim Includes:
Wash hair every 2 weeks with Suave Trop Coconut Poo&Conidsh
Sometimes use diffrent shampoo i rotate with Suave and ORS
Sometimes Blowdry or Airdry
Grease hair with creme' based Olive Oil ORS every 2-3 days 6/7 days of the week
Perm Hair every 6-7 weeks i cant stand the newgrowth or my hair will break severly
Thats about it.

PLEASE DONT BAD TALK ME IM JUST LEARNING SIMPLE PRACTICES OF HAIR!!

Your regimen leaves much to be desired. You don't deep condition and you're only conditioning once per week. You also probably need a real moisturizer. I suggest you switch to washing & dcing once or twice a week. Find a better moisturizer. And either rollerset or bun.

I'm confused because you just posted a thread yesterday or the day before abour your new growth and it didn't seem like there was very much, at least not enough to cause that many problems. But that's just from what I saw, I'm sure it was very different in person.

Let me do a search real quick, I'll be back with links.

Regimen Building for Newbies

Relaxer Stretcher's Support Thread....a great thread with many suggestions for helping to stretch relaxers past 6 weeks.

Prepooing v. DC v. Cowash....a good thread about the differences between them and what most people do

How to Select a moisturizing conditioner....a great article by Sistaslick...you need to condition more often and more effectively, it protects your hair and makes it smoother which reduces tangles. It also keeps it from drying out.

 

[Tamrin]

Your regimen leaves much to be desired. You don't deep condition and you're only conditioning once per week. You also probably need a real moisturizer.

I'm confused because you just posted a thread yesterday or the day before abour your new growth and it didn't seem like there was very much, at least not enough to cause that many problems. But that's just from what I saw, I'm sure it was very different in person.

Let me do a search real quick, I'll be back with links.

I agree with MSA. I'm 7 weeks post going on 8 weeks and I don't have that much new growth to make it hard to manage and I stretch from 6 to 8 months at a time. Stop trying to comb your dry hair with th new growth from root to tip. The ORS oils and moisturizers don't work so well for some people try QP mango butter. The Tropical Coconut Suave is great for conditioner washes but stay far away from the Shampoo. You need a moisturizing Shampoo like CON green label.

I was looking at your fotki and I see you are using growth aids. Honestly. The best growth aid is healthy hair. I see Sulu (sulfur based) Anything sulfur can be very drying there for you NEED to DC. TUCK the ends away. If you hair is growing and your ends are rubbing against clothes and breaking off, what's the use of the growth aids?

 

[hairmaster]

I need better pictures, front, sides, to have a better idea of hair condition. I say a miosterizing shampoo and a JOICO K_PAK deep conditiong every week will be a good start.

 

[msa]

I agree with MSA. I'm 7 weeks post going on 8 weeks and I don't have that much new growth to make it hard to manage and I stretch from 6 to 8 months at a time. Stop trying to comb your dry hair with th new growth from root to tip. The ORS oils and moisturizers don't work so well for some people try QP mango butter. The Tropical Coconut Suave is great for conditioner washes but stay far away from the Shampoo. You need a moisturizing Shampoo like CON green label.

I was looking at your fotki and I see you are using growth aids. Honestly. The best growth aid is healthy hair. I see Sulu (sulfur based) Anything sulfur can be very drying there for you NEED to DC. TUCK the ends away. If you hair is growing and your ends are rubbing against clothes and breaking off, what's the use of the growth aids?

ITA about the shampoo and sulfur products being drying. I don't think newbies should use growth aids or any "extra" products until they get their basic regimen down and start seeing results with that.

How to select a moisturizing shampoo?

 

[msa]

Kayanna, did you take any of the advice you received in these two threads?

Everytime I get a relaxer

Ladies I'm sick of having short hair.

You've already asked and had your questions answered multiple times. Have you done any of it?

 

[Vinillablue]

Get some ALT EAGO garlic deep condish....take biotin and co-wash 3x a week ...and you will be fine!!!!

 

[Kayanna1212]

You definitely need to incorporate a good deep conditioner into your regimen! I've found that deep conditioning definitely helps make my new growth more manageable during my stretch. I would also suggest using a sulfate free shampoo as well. Have you tried washing your hair weekly instead of bi-weekly?

if i do that my hair would be poofy and dryer then a bone!!

 

[msa]

if i do that my hair would be poofy and dryer then a bone!!

This is a common misconception.

People think dryness is a result of just the shampoo they are using and therefore wash less often because of it.

If you use a gentler, moisturizing shampoo and follow it with a deep conditioner and good moisturizer, your hair will not be dry if you wash once a week or more.

Your problem is the shampoo you are using currently is drying out your hair and your conditioner/moisturizer are not effective enough to counteract the effects of your shampoo.

You need to up your conditioning and moisturizing with products that have the ingredients necessary to really moisturize your hair.

 

[shasha8685]

if i do that my hair would be poofy and dryer then a bone!!

Um...actually it wouldn't be. If you wash with a shampoo that has no sulfates helps to keep moisture in your hair. So you wouldn't have any dryness. If you DC with a moisturizing deep conditioner you retain more moisture. If you use porosity control...again you are keeping moisture in your hair. Do you see where I am going with this?


I don't mean any disrespect but have you actually tried to do this and that was the result you got or are you just assuming that is what would happen?

 

[Kayanna1212]

Kayanna, did you take any of the advice you received in these two threads?

Everytime I get a relaxer

Ladies I'm sick of having short hair.

You've already asked and had your questions answered multiple times. Have you done any of it?

yes by adding EVOO to my dc

 

[msa]

yes by adding EVOO to my dc

What about all the other suggestions?

-using a milder relaxer
-figuring out if your porosity is off
-conditioning and dcing more often
-finding a better moisturizer/leave in than the ors olive oil
-reading about haircare basics so that you can construct a quality regimen
-etc. etc. etc.

 

[aprils13]

Regim Includes:
Wash hair every 2 weeks with Suave Trop Coconut Poo&Conidsh
Sometimes use diffrent shampoo i rotate with Suave and ORS
Sometimes Blowdry or Airdry
Grease hair with creme' based Olive Oil ORS every 2-3 days 6/7 days of the week
Perm Hair every 6-7 weeks i cant stand the newgrowth or my hair will break severly
Thats about it.

PLEASE DONT BAD TALK ME IM JUST LEARNING SIMPLE PRACTICES OF HAIR!!

If your hair starts breaking around every 6-7 weeks, then stop getting a touchup around that time and start using a thicker conditioner and DC. The reason I say this is because I have friend who says this very said thing. She cant stretch past 5 weeks or her hair will break off, and her hair never grows past nl, Never .

 

[mkd]

yes by adding EVOO to my dc

what are you using to DC?

 

[sqzbly1908]

if i do that my hair would be poofy and dryer then a bone!!

Hi Kayanna - I guess I am confused as to why your hair would be come poofy and dry if you deep conditioned? Maybe the type of products you are using or the fact that you would be washing more frequently?

IMO, if you don't deep condition your hair - your hair will not progress and will be susceptible to even more thinning/damage especially since you relax your hair. With relaxed hair you have to not only be proactive but reactive - proactive by preparing your hair and making sure your hair is able to handle the relaxer and reactive by taking the time to strengthen and moisturize your hair after relaxing.

It is not a easy nor overnight process and yes there will be days like this but I would definitely recommend you heed the advice of the ladies who have
already posted our you will continue to post questions as to why your hair is not doing what you want it to do. (yeah it's a run on sentence)

With that being said - the links MSA posted are a great start - it may be time consuming but I recommend reading and doing searches as about 99% of the women with the beautiful, healthy hair on this site deep condition and regularly.

 

[gymfreak336]

What protein are you using?

In addition to what the other ladies have already mentioned, you need to have a conditioner with some protein. That is one reason why you are having such a hard time, your hair is weak.

Remember, things won't change over night either, you have to stay consistent making the positive changes or else nothing will change.

 

[luckiestdestiny]

Msa is on it here. It seems that Msa has pointed to two relevant threads where you are getting tons of advice. You really need to try these things first and then come at us with a "revised" regimen, if you are still having problems. That way you can get more advice to "adjust it" so to speak.

In addition if you are just SAD, I get that. You want to vent about your hair. Take heart. You can turn it around, and be smiling by next year (heck 6 months of good hair care will have you smiling, knowing that you are going in the right direction)

As for the other part of your post, it seems to me that you are sick of being relaxed...or at least it seems that way in your previous threads...are you really just looking for an excuse to bc? I was this way at a point, and I can understand the need to feel like the "chemicals" are causing you to stall. They can, if you do not know what to do. Everytime I contemplate putting chemicals on my head again, I get upset, and change my mind. For me I don't want to be a "slave" so to speak to someone else applying chemicals (though I know others relax themselves) or have to worry about moisture/protein balances, etc. However, I also am getting to a point that my hair is so long, I worry about knots and detangling, and spending hours of my time on wash day (and then I'm too tired to do anything else). So I know something has got to give. Right now I'm not sure what it will be...but I know that both sides have their pluses and minuses and that both natural and relaxed or texlaxed hair can have it's benefits.

If this is the case, you'll have to decide. A better thread idea would be to ask people about there BC experiences. Mine was really FREEING. At the time I was so sick of my hair, and I also have Grave's disease so it was doing a number on my hair. I was like thank GOD it's gone. It was before LHCF and I was just happy to start over. HTH

 

[Sugar Brown]

Don't speak defeat over your hair - or anything you want in this life. Your hair is growing and doing exactly what it is supposed to do. Now you need to figure out YOUR part.

I think the rule of thumb is to DC more and stretch longer between your relaxers. New growth can be a pain but frequent DC should help with that.

Also figure out what kind of protective styles will work for you.

HTH, Good luck!

 

[Kayanna1212]

what are you using to DC?

Organic Root Stimulator Hair Mayo
MIxed with 1 egg EVOO,& Honey

 

[msa]

I use the organic root stimulator hair mayonise mixed with eggs.

Your dc is a protein treatment. I say try a different dc and lose the grease, it will not help your moisture situation.

Is your hair dry or your scalp?

I agree with this. You should try a moisturizing DC and that should help. Also find a daily moisturizer and that should help with the dryness.

I'm relaxed and the neutrogena triple moisture line helps! Plus lay off the mayo and eggs all you are doing is adding tons of protein which could make things worse. Also after I used the NTM Silk Leave in I "seal" with Africa's Best oil and my hair always feels nice and moisturized! Also another thing I suggest is condition only washes with NTM daily deep conditioner then adding the NTM silk touch leave in and putting your hair up in a bun and then putting a shower cap on top for a few hours or over night. That's the fastest way to get my dry strands feeling good again. But be careful too much moisture and your hair gets mushy and breaks.

The ORS Mayo w/an egg is a protein DC. Maybe you should try a moisturizing DC such as ORS Replenishing Pak w/ added EVOO.

Also, what type of shampoo are you using?

And that grease is a no no. You shouldn't grease your hair. Try a water based moisturizer like ORS Olive Oil for example.

Maybe you should try a regular strength relaxer. I know you said it hasn't worked in the past, but try switching from whichever brand you used that hasn't worked.

Also, are you using a moisturizing leave-in conditioner?

Maybe you should try a moisturizing DC, not a protein one, as previously stated.

 

[lilsparkle825]

I don't want to repeat some of the things that have been said, so I will just say this: I think you have been given plenty of great advice in not one, but THREE threads. Once you follow it, I am positive you will have great results. I am sure if you do this, you will be making another thread in 6 months talking about how much your hair has grown and how many compliments you have gotten on it. Good luck!

 

[Liege4421]

Do you exercise? How much lean protein is in your diet? Hair grows from the inside out, so if you're not exercising and eating healthily, you have no chance of maximizing your growth. You need to start taking a good multi-vitamin (GNC Ultra Mega for women is a good one). I also suggest you start DCing with heat at least once a week, preferably twice.

I am editing this because not all protein are equal...lean protein is definitely a better choice than those high in saturated fats.

 

[MyAngelEyez~C~U]

I co-sign with everyone else. Moisturize and seal daily, wash and deep condition at least weekly, try rollersets/wraps instead of flat-ironing, and try to stretch out your relaxers to 12 weeks at least. If you have a hard time dealing with new growth, you can try braid-outs or do what I do (I wear my hair down for 2 weeks to one month, and braid it up in individuals for the remaining 2-2 1/2 months). I've been doing this since last summer and have gotten pretty decent growth. If you try this, make sure to still wash weekly and moisturize daily (I find that it is all that much easier to keep my hair moist while in braids). Hang in there!

 

[supermodelsonya]

i think she needs protein. I don't see any of that in her regimen. Adding protein to my hair is what saved it and I am NOW able to retain what I grow. My hair strands were weak and brittle, but now they are much stronger and able to hold in moisture more effectively.