Saved and Sexy?

[Ms.Honey]

Psa 1:1 Blessed [is] the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

Psa 1:2 But his delight [is] in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.


Psa 1:3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.


Psa 1:4 The ungodly [are] not so: but [are] like the chaff which the wind driveth away.


Psa 1:5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.


Psa 1:6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

Be careful of what ideas and ways you take from the world and incorporate in your lives saints.

 

[Ms.Honey]

1Ti 4:8 For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.

 

[Renewed1]

Never mind.

 

[Aviah]

Pole dancing is a sex industry activity made popular in the secular world because of UNGODLY SEXUALITY!!!!!!. What does darkness have to do with the Light?

Replace pole dancing with porno and you could say the same thing. That is ungodly sexuality. But it doesnt mean that it because we do what they do (in a different context in which it is allowed) that we are who they are. We belong to Christ and sure we should behave that way, but again imho it doesn't mean that you can't appeal to your husband. If you weren't appealng to him at all, that can be another issue. To each their own...

Interesting thread, but I'll leave it here

 

[neenzmj]

Fashion mainly, but what I really mean is when certain "trends" come around, it can be hard (especially for younger women and teens) to find styles that are cute yet don't compromise their values.

I remember when my daughter was younger, it was a nightmare trying to find jeans that didn't reveal her "crack" without having a top long enough to cover everything. I always found myself saying "go back in the house and put on another shirt -- I'm not tryin' to see your behind! I hated the super low-rise jeans, but everywhere you turned that's all you could seem to find unless you wore the ones that came up to your bra! Even in church -- that's all I saw a lot of time: cracks and boobs!

 

[Ms.Honey]

Never mind.

Yes, I totally disagree with the whole idea of pole dancing.

 

[BeautifulFlower]

....but everywhere you turned that's all you could seem to find unless you wore the ones that came up to your bra! Even in church -- that's all I saw a lot of time: cracks and boobs!

 

[Aviah]

Pole dancing is a sex industry activity made popular in the secular world because of UNGODLY SEXUALITY!!!!!!. What does darkness have to do with the Light?

Replace pole dancing with porno and you could say the same thing. That is ungodly sexuality. But it doesnt mean that it because we do what they do (in a different context in which it is allowed) that we are who they are. We belong to Christ and sure we should behave that way, but again imho it doesn't mean that you can't appeal to your husband. If you weren't appealng to him at all, that can be another issue. To each their own...

We can also say that hip/booty movement is inherently sexual, but in some parts of Africa it is something both men and women do. I spoke to a friend who told me that in a Nigerian church they did this while praising God and it was not an issue, all innocent, because of cultural context. You can say whores do that, and that that too is inherently sexual but it depends.
Just because we see things culturally associated with the world doesn't mean it can never be anything else...

Interesting thread, but I'll leave it here

 

[TrustMeLove]

Fashion mainly, but what I really mean is when certain "trends" come around, it can be hard (especially for younger women and teens) to find styles that are cute yet don't compromise their values.

I remember when my daughter was younger, it was a nightmare trying to find jeans that didn't reveal her "crack" without having a top long enough to cover everything. I always found myself saying "go back in the house and put on another shirt -- I'm not tryin' to see your behind! I hated the super low-rise jeans, but everywhere you turned that's all you could seem to find unless you wore the ones that came up to your bra! Even in church -- that's all I saw a lot of time: cracks and boobs!

I like low rise jeans. I can't wear them...yet I use too.

But, with low rise jeans you have to make sure you wear the appropriate length shirt. It was cool not to have the pants creating lumps in your shirt. The pants were low and your shirts could lay flat all around.

But, like you were saying above. YOU MUST HAVE THE APPROPRIATE SHIRTS!

Other wise your crack would be all out! I wore belts with my pants and bought the appropriate shirts. Since I have bigger boobs I always wear undershirts and usually my undershirts were a bit long on average so I was ALWAYS covered. I feel uncomfortable showing skin close to those "special" areas.

I see alot of the young people hahaha (my brothers age 16 and my age 24) being covered, but going kind of Kanye west crazy with the style. In some cases looking a mess..but looking so cool too.

My brother had a high top fade recently. It's called dressing Retro. I'll dig up some pics.

 

[BeautifulFlower]

Proverbs 31: 17 She girds herself with strength,
And strengthens her arms.
Slothfulness is ungodly as well...not taking care of your body is ungodly
1 Corinthians 6:19-20 & Ephesians 5:29

1Ti 4:8 For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.

 

[Akemi]

This is a great thread!

 

[TrustMeLove]

The above..very trendy stylish, but a MESS! However COVERED! I see the young women (teenagers mostly) in my church not dressed as crazy, but with these colors and similar styles all the time. Usually, not in church but if were are all hanging out chilling.

My brother dresses exactly like this for school....so it's still trendy but covered..

 

[BeautifulFlower]

You have the most interesting screenname to date.. Love it!

This is a great thread!

 

[Ms.Honey]

Proverbs 31: 17 She girds herself with strength,
And strengthens her arms.
Slothfulness is ungodly as well...not taking care of your body is ungodly
1 Corinthians 6:19-20 & Ephesians 5:29

How did you compare slothfulness with exercise? You can exercise and still be a slothful person. It doesn't say don't exercise but to be godly profits you more. "She strengthen her arms" does not mean she was working out but that she was a productive women and gained strength BTW.

 

[BeautifulFlower]

Kids dress like this at my church. Its a big church. Its a mess but they'll out grew it. They just bringing back the 80s...Its funny to me.

The above..very trendy stylish, but a MESS! However COVERED! I see the young women (teenagers mostly) in my church not dressed as crazy, but with these colors and similar styles all the time. Usually, not in church but if were are all hanging out chilling.

My brother dresses exactly like this for school....so it's still trendy but covered..

 

[Akemi]

You have the most interesting screenname to date.. Love it!

Thanks!

 

[TrustMeLove]

Kids dress like this at my church. Its a big church. Its a mess but they'll out grew it. They just bringing back the 80s...Its funny to me.

At my church in oakland in la too SOME of the kids dress like this while at church. In Oakland it is MUCH MUCH more laid back and the kids come dressed jeans..whatever. However, the older people only mention something if folks walk up in there with some ridiculous short outfit on.

But, the more the kids come to church overtime you will see their outfits change. My outfits have developed from when I was a teenager. Now I was never wearing jeans to church. But, I would wear simple skirt..simple pants...simple top.

I started to buy nicer more put together close for church as I got older. I actually started to spend money on my church clothes. All my other clothes were fresh to death, but my church clothes were blah blah. I decided to put hte same amount of money and time into that section of my wardrobe too.

I am just happy to see the teenagers in church. 1 got saved last sunday. The Lord manifested himself in that place heavily...someone even was delievered...throw up and all. (Some of yall know what throwing up means..I'll leave it at that)

Anyways....as they grow in Christ their clothing will change as well. Mine did and I wasn't wearing jeans and all that stuff to church from the start. Just make sure folks don't try to turn them into over night lil mee's by bagging on them when they do start coming.

 

[MA2010]

IMO............

We are called by God, through Jesus, to leave this world behind. So "sexy", "trendy", "cool", and all that should be left to this world.

We should take heed in being DIFFERENT and SET APART! This is what I pray for daily; "Lord, help me remove myself of wordly dress, behavor, speech, etc".

I get so wrapped up in my own style, fashion, speech, demeanor, behavior.....that I miss God's intent for me being saved in the 1st place.

I so often feel the need to be "cool" and "fly" and be "looked at" to the point where I loose myself all over again in the world. erplexed

As you can tell this issue is DEEP to me.

Wordly seperation, especially when it deals with "sexinesss", "allure", and "just plain self conceit within myself" is a big issue. Great thread OP!

 

[Ms.Honey]

IMO............

We are called by God, through Jesus, to leave this world behind. So "sexy", "trendy", "cool", and all that should be left to this world.

We should take heed in being DIFFERENT and SET APART! This is what I pray for daily; "Lord, help me remove myself of wordly dress, behavor, speech, etc".

I get so wrapped up in my own style, fashion, speech, demeanor, behavior.....that I miss God's intent for me being saved in the 1st place.

I so often feel the need to be "cool" and "fly" and be "looked at" to the point where I loose myself all over again in the world. erplexed

As you can tell this issue is DEEP to me.

Wordly seperation, especially when it deals with "sexinesss", "allure", and "just plain self conceit within myself" is a big issue. Great thread OP!

Very true. It's little things that spoil us. We can usually see the big things that ruin us and can easily avoid them, USUALLY. Jesus draws when He is lifted up but the world also has a drawing nature to it also. That's why with everything no matter how harmless it seems or how natural we MUST take it to God in prayer before we act. When it comes to all wordly activities and the way we dress we must ask "Lord, does this glorify you?" "Lord, how will this affect my witness?"

Mat 6:33But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added



2Cr 6:17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you,

2Cr 6:18And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

 

[hopeful]

When I first read this thread earlier today I looked a hot mess. I could not leave the house that way though. I put on a pair of jeans, cute shoes, cute top and a hoodie. Redid my hair, added a little makeup. I found myself wanting to represent myself well as a Christian woman. This thread reminded me of the importance of putting my best foot forward as often as possible.

 

[chicacanella]

I saw the youtube videos of a woman doing a poll dance. She was pretty covered. Except she had the standard hooker shoes on. But, I figured that mighthelp with the poll dancing.

She was doing all types of splits and twirls. It looks fun. I wish I could hang upside down, twirl around..like new dance moves... I don't really see what turns people on about it...erplexed

It was like doing gymnastics. The balance beam..or a floor routine. I don't see anything wrong with that...and the only reason most people don't because it is a "national sport". But, you know perverts look at those lil girls too.

I don't know if Saved and Sexy go together in PUBLIC. I think it can go together for your husband. But, I don't want to look saved and sexy. I don't want anything coming off of me as a single woman that says "sexy". Mainly, because I don't want to attract any energy that goes with "sexy". I want to attract the energy that goes with "saved" though. hahaha.

I know that when I get dressed...put together a awesome shoe and hand bag combo or a 1960's dress...I want to look Saved and Stylish. Saved and Sophisticated. Saved and Fierce..ya know..

There are other words out there that can easily describe..what I want to feel when I'm out and about.

Sessy is fo da house!

Okay, I have to say something about this "sexy" thing. I think when a man refers to a woman as sexy or beautiful or gorgeous, etc depends on where their mind is. For instance, I was on the elevator one day and I was dressed very appropriately but the man says, "Hey sexy." I'm thinking, "Whoaa, you can even be polite now-a-days unless someone will think you are open romantically." Now, I believe this had to do with his mindset overall and that is what he saw but I know I could've been described as beautiful and a host of more words that actually fit how I looked. So sometimes, you may be dressed appropriately but it's the man with the wrong type of mindset.

 

[neenzmj]

chicacanella: I definitely agree about the mindset of the person, not to mention the fact that the word "sexy" has been used to describe everything from women to cars. Knowing what I know now, I think if anyone addressed me in that way (other than my husband), I'd probably be taken aback. Now when my husband calls me sexy... look out!

Okay, I have to say something about this "sexy" thing. I think when a man refers to a woman as sexy or beautiful or gorgeous, etc depends on where their mind is. For instance, I was on the elevator one day and I was dressed very appropriately but the man says, "Hey sexy." I'm thinking, "Whoaa, you can even be polite now-a-days unless someone will think you are open romantically." Now, I believe this had to do with his mindset overall and that is what he saw but I know I could've been described as beautiful and a host of more words that actually fit how I looked. So sometimes, you may be dressed appropriately but it's the man with the wrong type of mindset.

 

[aribell]

deleted post...will re-post later.

 

[BeautifulFlower]

Well thats lends the question:

Are we as Christians to disassociate ourselves from the good or innocent society preverts?

Society will sex up anything to cash in on it. Pole dancing begin in the Victorian age around the 12th century used as a fertility dance. Used throughout Asian and Indian for men and women, in yoga and to strengthen themselves. Of course they do not call it pole dance as Americans do. They sometimes use rope instead of metal poles. Its also an act widely used in Asian circus...its very beautiful to me.

Pole = metal vertical object
Dance = to move one's feet or body, or both, rhythmically in a pattern of steps

This is what I think when I see, pole dancing. Its graceful, beautiful, mesmerizing. I am not a stripper. I will never go near a strip club.

I agree, you can not Christianize everything. But whatever a husband and wife do behind close doors aint my business. Porn is wrong, too me, because its an act of perpetual fornication. Their acts are wrong because no one is married. But the actual acts themselves, are fine in the bedroom between a husband and wife. Oh and making profit off how lying on your back is pretty sick too...but thats another thread.

The pole dancing thing is interesting. I think it raises the question whether we as Christians can sanctify and "Christianize" anything, or whether some things are just rotten through and through and should be discarded.

 

[Ramya]

deleted post...will re-post later.

I thought your post was very interesting and relevant to the discussion. I feel one way about porn and pole dancing and I doubt that will change. My question is now why would my husband need these things to desire me especially concerning pornography.

Because for me porn is sexually immoral on the basis that it brings another couple or whatever the case may be into our bedroom. The act becomes more about what we are watching than our union. There are a number of other reasons why i detest pornography but this is not the thread. I can't quite grasp the trend of pole dancing for exercise and i don't feel comfortable with the idea of it for a number of reasons. There are quite a few things that I feel should not be adopted by Christians.

 

[MA2010]

I thought your post was very interesting and relevant to the discussion. I feel one way about porn and pole dancing and I doubt that will change. My question is now why would my husband need these things to desire me especially concerning pornography.

Because for me porn is sexually immoral on the basis that it brings another couple or whatever the case may be into our bedroom. The act becomes more about what we are watching than our union. There are a number of other reasons why i detest pornography but this is not the thread. I can't quite grasp the trend of pole dancing for exercise and i don't feel comfortable with the idea of it for a number of reasons. There are quite a few things that I feel should not be adopted by Christians.

He doesn't need any of those things girl............!

 

[TrustMeLove]

Well thats lends the question:

Are we as Christians to disassociate ourselves from the good or innocent society preverts?

Society will sex up anything to cash in on it. Pole dancing begin in the Victorian age around the 12th century used as a fertility dance. Used throughout Asian and Indian for men and women, in yoga and to strengthen themselves. Of course they do not call it pole dance as Americans do. They sometimes use rope instead of metal poles. Its also an act widely used in Asian circus...its very beautiful to me.

Pole = metal vertical object
Dance = to move one's feet or body, or both, rhythmically in a pattern of steps

This is what I think when I see, pole dancing. Its graceful, beautiful, mesmerizing. I am not a stripper. I will never go near a strip club.

I agree, you can not Christianize everything. But whatever a husband and wife do behind close doors aint my business. Porn is wrong, too me, because its an act of perpetual fornication. Their acts are wrong because no one is married. But the actual acts themselves, are fine in the bedroom between a husband and wife. Oh and making profit off how lying on your back is pretty sick too...but thats another thread.

When I think of poll dancing I think of nasty strippers AND the video I saw on youtube of poll dancing as a competitve dance/sport. If your only exposure to something has been negative it is hard to get past that thing, because society has perverted a cultural dance/expression. All this booty popping etc...has been apart of it's perversion.

From the video I saw on youtube it made me connect poll dancing with gymnastics and circus people. They do all of that same stuff. I've been to the circus I know what I saw. hahaha!

I've been raised in a society that for me has turned sex into something really gross, dirty, and un meaningful. Anybody can do it anywhere with any who or anything. SERIOUSLY! It's used to sell everything from shampoo to car insurance. Heathens participate in it and so do the religious.

I actually had to get back to the scriptures to start getting my mind around this thing. That it's ok to have sex. Once you are married.

My friend recently got married and they would have to bear down and pray before the act because she would be crying through it and all tense. It was hard to enjoy such a precious gift from God, because of all the negative dirty things that she had built up in her mind regarding sex mainly from influences in the world. She was a virgin when she married too.

She told a group of women this at our other friends wedding shower. I told her that, I was happy she felt comfortable sharing that because I deal with the same issues. I'm a virgin, but I can see this being a problem for me too once I get to that point. I'm trying to deal with it now.

I don't see the problem with learning how to do what circus people do. They do these tricks and things on polls and ropes. Long as a person isn't at the strip joint, putting on private shows, yadda yadda. I dont' see the problem.

If anyone has seen competitive poll dancing you will see it is really like a form of gymnastics or like the folks at the circus. Folks exposure to it's perverted form may be hard to get by to see things for it's original intent.

 

[aribell]

Sorry, didn't see the response before I deleted my original post. For the sake of the other readers, part of what it said was:

It was said that whatever a husband and wife agree to in the bedroom is acceptable between them. I am unmarried, so take this for what it's worth, but I don't think that's true at all. For instance, in porn, a lot of it is degrading to women, not just in the fact that they are on the screen, but in the scenarios played out, the names they're called...overall, the porn industry is presenting a certain image of what the sexual relationship between a man and a woman should be, and for a husband and wife to bring that into their bedroom would be to replicate something that is ungodly in attitude and perspective--there's no Christianizing it, since the bad attitude itself is what produced the industry.

A husband and wife can definitely sin together in their attitude and what they choose to enter into their lives. They can still act lustfully by objectifying one another even though they are married.

The pole dancing question was a general one that I think is applicable to everyone, meaning that the comment wasn't directed toward you PrettyFace. But I am somewhat wary of general "culture" arguments since we (those who are in the US) don't live in Africa, Asia, India or anywhere else. So, yeah, women go topless in parts of Africa...but I'm not going to walk down the street in Philly without a shirt on and then say that modesty is culturally relative.

I don't think anyone needs to justify to anyone else what they do or do not do (we only answer to Christ), but it's good to put things out there to think about.

 

[BeautifulFlower]

Geez, thats sad. I pray she over came that. Satan perverts everything. He's perverted the church. Ministers sleeping with members, stealing money, failing to preach the Gospel... He's perverted children's movie. Disney has become more 'out there' over the past decade. He's perverted Christmas. It's now about gifts, lights, Santa, and trees, instead of Christ. He's perverted sex...we all know how. He perverts everything.

My friend recently got married and they would have to bear down and pray before the act because she would be crying through it and all tense. It was hard to enjoy such a precious gift from God, because of all the negative dirty things that she had built up in her mind regarding sex mainly from influences in the world. She was a virgin when she married too.

She told a group of women this at our other friends wedding shower. I told her that, I was happy she felt comfortable sharing that because I deal with the same issues. I'm a virgin, but I can see this being a problem for me too once I get to that point. I'm trying to deal with it now.

I don't see the problem with learning how to do what circus people do. They do these tricks and things on polls and ropes. Long as a person isn't at the strip joint, putting on private shows, yadda yadda. I dont' see the problem.

If anyone has seen competitive poll dancing you will see it is really like a form of gymnastics or like the folks at the circus. Folks exposure to it's perverted form may be hard to get by to see things for it's original intent.

 

[TrustMeLove]

Geez, thats sad. I pray she over came that. Satan perverts everything. He's perverted the church. Ministers sleeping with members, stealing money, failing to preach the Gospel... He's perverted children's movie. Disney has become more 'out there' over the past decade. He's perverted Christmas. It's now about gifts, lights, Santa, and trees, instead of Christ. He's perverted sex...we all know how. He perverts everything.

Well, I don't know the updates, but when she told us that story she said that things were getting a lot better. But, she was still praying before hand..you know.

I just did a google on why folks wear what they were when doing the poll dances. I read that the skin needs to be in contact with the poll or when you are doing some of the moves you will slip and fall. So your stomach, arms, and legs need to be exposed. And you can't put lotion on your body.

Is that true?