Natsarim: Pesach (Passover)

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Here is some infomation on Pesach, this also includes revealing on the real day Yahusha our Messiah resurrected.

Part 1

WHAT IS PASSOVER?
For info on Passover and Shabuoth: passover​

ONLY ISRAEL MAY PARTAKE OF THE PASSOVER; AND THIS IS ONLY THOSE WHO ARE CIRCUMCISED - (THOSE IMMERSED INTO THE NAME OF YAHUSHUA ARE CIRCUMCISED BY MASHIACH IN HEART - RENEWED COVENANT ISRAEL). GENTILES BECOME ISRAEL AT THE TIME OF THEIR IMMERSION INTO THE NAME, AND ARE FELLOW CITIZENS OF ISRAEL (EPH. 2:8-13).
NO OTHERS MAY OBSERVE PASSOVER. (SEE EX./SHEMOTH CHAPTER 12). WITHOUT BEING IMMERSED, ONE EATS OF THE PASSOVER
UNWORTHILY, NOT BEING OF ISRAEL. NON-ISRAELITES HAVE NO COVENANT. ( SEE EPH. 2:8-13, 1COR. 11:27-30).

FOR MORE ON WHY CHRISTIANITY HASN'T HAD A "PASSOVER", SEE ARTICLE AT WWW.FOSSILIZEDCUSTOMS.COM/CONSTANTINE.HTM​

The Hebrew word is Pesach. Passover is a “shadow” of coming things, and is an observance that involves the understanding of blood-covering, the significance of the firstborn, judgment, and the marriage feast of the Bride. It is a remembrance for all generations that YHWH brought out the children of Israel from the bondage of slavery (sin).
Scripture clearly identifies the Bride as Israel, YHWH’s Wife. People of Israel, all 12 tribes—12,000 from each—become the firstfruits at the harvest of the Earth (Rev. 14:4). The Passover in Mitsrayim which was the culmination of the 10 plagues, will relate to the fall of Babylon when final judgment falls on the whole earth as described in the book of Revelation. Pharaoh represented ha shatan, who will not allow YHWH’s people to be free from the bondage of sin.
The word "eucharist" means thanksgiving, and comes from the Greek, eucharistein. The Catholic
organization's priests offer up a "bloodless sacrifice" of thanksgiving - as they understand it, imitating
what they think Yahushua was doing with His talmidim on Passover. The Pagans already engaged in
the round wafer ritual before Yahushua, believing they were taking the SUN (Mithras) into themselves.

The process of mixing the Passover observance with the Pagan ritual became what we now know as "the Mass",
and this became standardized about 394 CE (see FC page 49, based on timeline of events from Catholic Encyclopedia).
As time went on, relics and other items came to be venerated and worshipped, including objects like water, statues, scapulars,
rosaries (chaplets, 1090 CE), until finally they instituted the idea of "transubstantiation" in 1215 CE. This was the
belief that the bread and wine changed into the LITERAL Body of Yahushua when the priest uttered the Latin words,
"HOC EST CORPUS MEUM" - (producing the colloquialism, "hocus-pocus").All Yahushua was doing at
the supper was completing the understanding of what every Passover was really about: His death.
THE FIRSTBORN
After the Great Flood, Nimrod set up the Kingdom of Babylon. It was in opposition to YHWH, and ESTABLISHED THE WORSHIP OF THE OBJECTS (CREATION) IN THE SKIES. Directed by the rebellious watcher ha shatan, Nimrod misled the descendants of Yaphath and Ham to establish customs involving the worship of the sun, moon, planets, and stars. This was the inception of Paganism, and it was carried all over the Earth. In Egypt, or Mitsrayim, King Menes became that nations’ counterpart of Nimrod. The firstborn son of each ruler became the next son of “RA”, which they called their mighty one, the sun (shatan's office or seat). The solar disc, the sun-ray obelisk, and the EAGLE-winged sun disc were emblems for RA. These same symbols originated from Babylon, moved through Media-Persia, on through Mitsrayim, and into Greece and Rome later on. Mitsrayim had other mighty ones, but RA was the chief. Diverting worship from YHWH was the plan.
THE LIFE IS IN THE BLOOD
Adam and Chuwah were created as eternal creatures, “covered” by the Chabod of YHWH—He dwelt with them literally. Never was there a separation, until “disobedience” occurred. Love produces obedience, and hatred produces disobedience. Pride gave birth to hatred in ha shatan. This source of hatred in ha shatan “infected” Chuwah, spreading it like YEAST to her husband, Adam. Love is the unselfish helping of others, and emanates from YHWH. Being cut off from YHWH and without this love, His creation languishes in hatred and selfishness. Upon the removal of YHWH’s Chabod, and having taken upon themselves the choices of what is good and evil, Adam and Chuwah realized their nakedness and withdrew further from YHWH—hiding from Him. They began to die. YHWH “covered” their now dying bodies with bloody lamb skins. This was a type for the first Passover. Without the shedding of blood, there is no covering for sin. The life is in the blood.
The blood of clean animals was provided as a covering for sin on the altar. One side of the Ark’s mercy seat was sprinkled as a future picture of our Passover Lamb’s offering of His life. Later, He would sprinkle the other side with His own blood.

WHEN​

IS PASSOVER?​

According to Leviticus 23, Deut. 16, and Exodus 12, we are able to determine that the "first moon of the year" comes in the SPRING. This is clearly understood to involve the celestial body that enables us to calculate YEARS; THE SUN. The sun is for determining days and YEARS. When the sun crosses the celestial equator in the SPRING, it is an event called the "equinox" - and this means winter is done, and the arrival of spring makes that next new moon the beginning of the YEAR. We have to use the sun AND the moon. PESACH, or PASSOVER is the fourteenth day of this first moon, which arrives at evening, the beginning of the day. Twilight is the period just after sunset, and lasts about thirty minutes. This “evening” is the twilight, the beginning of a new day -- “And there was evening and there was morning the first day.” A day begins with evening, or darkening; then morning, or lightening arrives. It is half dark, and half light, just as in the beginning when YHWH began creating in darkness, and during the first day He said, "Let there be light". “And there was evening (darkening), and there was morning (lightening), the first day.”
A huge problem appears to exist when we lookat Matthew 26:17-20, Mk. 14:12, and Luke 22:7, 13-14. The texts generally seem to say,
“Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the Passover must be killed . . .”
The Spirit of Messiah Yahushua within us can reveal what’s up here. The idea that is intended is simply this:
“Then came near the day of unleavened bread, when the Passover must be killed . . .”
A simple examination of the Greek word “proserchomai” (#4334) at Mt. 26:17 shows this is the case, since it means “to draw near”, “to approach”, “coming up”. If we jump to conclusions rather than look at the Greek, the WRONG conclusions will be drawn, and thus taught. As you know, Pesach/Matsah are referred to as a unit, and either word can be used for the general observance. Yahushua’s students prepared for ULB which was “drawing near”.

http://www.fossilizedcustoms.com/passover.html

 

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part 2

Now, a detailed peek at Numbers 33:3:
“And they departed from Rameses in the 1st month, on the 15th day of the 1st month; on the morrow after the Passover the children of Israel went out with an high hand in the sight of all the Egyptians.”
This perfectly agrees with the text of the KJV; however I checked the inspired Hebrew text, and it literally reads as:
“Now they set out - from Rameses - in the moon - the 1st - on 5 + 10 day - of the moon - the 1st - on day after of - the Passover - they marched out - sons of - Israel - with hand - being lifted - before eyes of - all of - Mitsrayim.” (verse 3).
Our western programming slides into action when we hear the word “day” (“morrow after” as translated), and we naturally jump to the conclusion it is the following “daybreak” (after Pesach the night before) the Israelites began their journey. If we understand that the text is telling us that on any entirely different day, the day that comes AFTER the day which Pesach falls on, the Israelites actually began their trek. It was the day after Pesach. Shemoth 12:30-36 describes the terrorized people of Mitsrayim willingly bestowing “going-away” gifts on the Israelites as they prepared their bread dough. This was the “day” (24 hour period) the Israelites “plundered the Egyptians” - and was in fact the same “day” we call “Passover Day”. Packing up in haste, accepting costly valuables, and being ready to leave on the 15th, the Israelites assembled at Rameses, exactly as verse 3 describes. Straining to make Pesach, baking/kneading dough, packing, and plundering to have occurred all in one night then to start the trek at “daybreak” couldn’t be done even with the help of FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) - and they’re very prepared already with tents and food. The explanations don’t fit the real world we all live in, because they have drawn the wrong conclusions about when things happened. Shemoth 12:51 has no word “self-same” in the Hebrew — the idea of “day” in this verse is even more confusing. The “day” in this verse refers to the general period of time which these things happened - reflecting back on all that had happened. But, one has to look at the whole Hebrew sentence to get this; it won’t pop out of most English translations, including The Scriptures by ISR. We are all on the translation “board”, because we can influence the future printings of The Scriptures with our comments and suggestions. If everyone could study the original texts, what unity we would see!
The 13-month controversies, and the Karaites
About every third year, we run into divisive brooding among all of Israel's various sects over the necessary adjustment of the number of moons for that year -- and Roman year 2005 was one of those years. The “intercalating” (adding) of an extra month is needed to keep the seasons balanced with the months, so about 7 out of every 19 years needs to have 13 months. The last Sanhedrin set up the standardized method for the calendar, and no one has the authority to trump or overrule this, except the entire Body of Mashiach. If we use the moon AND the sun to regulate our year, then Passover will not drift backward into the winter, and keep backing up through the seasons as we see the Islamic calendar does. Give the Arabs some credit though, they gave us our numerals zero through 9; you wouldn't want to be using Roman numerals. They also gave us the convention of "north" always being at the TOP of maps.
As you may know, there are divisions among us over a few things. One detail concerns the “barley wave offering”, often sighted by the Karaites in the land of Israel. A small quantity of some species of barley became almost ripe early in 2005, however the whole harvest was certainly not ready. It was still winter when the Karaites proclaimed the discovery of the ripe barley harvest -- yet the whole harvest was not yet ripe at all. Many Messianics among us jumped when the Karaites announced the first moon of the year. The equinoxis used in the calculation of the arrival of springtime; this is simply because we use a lunar/solar calendar (not strictly a lunar one as the Islamic world does). Permit me to explain this "year" thing, and how Ex. 12:2 tells us that the arrival of the "first moon" of the year is in the SPRING/SUMMER cycle, not the fall/winter. Also, the barley doesn't determine when to watch for anything; we are simply told to bring a sheaf of the harvest to the priest (SEE LEV. 23:10) -- but the whole crop is being harvested, not just a patch of barley that is turning green that you had to go out and hunt down. If each one of us privately interprets how and when to do things -- as it seems we are -- people are going to be very divided. That's why we must search out the TRUTH of every matter carefully -- and it's not hard to do. Important to note: the BODY OF MESSIAH is to be our critic. The Karaites are not believers in Yahushua. So, let no one judge you in new moons, Sabbaths, food, drink, or a festival, BUT the body of Messiah. (Col. 2:16).
ABIB THE FIRST MOON OF THE YEAR (SPRING, EX. 12:2)
"Abib" means ear, or grain, but not a "green" ear. The sun, moon, and stars are all used together for days, years, signs, and moedim (called "seasons", or appointments). Torah doesn't come out and actually say "equinox", however the SUN (and Earth's rotation, tilt, & orbit around it) determines days and years - the Hebrew term that equates with any equinox or solstice is TEKUFAH (See www.fossilizedcustoms.com/calendar.html). While other places have more pronounced seasonal variations producing 4 distinct seasons, the land of Israel has mainly 2: summer & winter. Both begin with a marked increase in rain, giving us the "early" and "latter" rains (Dt. 11:14). So, first we are to look for the arrival of the spring and its obvious "early rains", then watch for the ripening of the barley grains -- the WHOLE crop -- and when we harvest this crop, the "first fruits" of this harvest are to be taken before the High Priest, Who now is Yahushua, for Him to wave it before YHWH. The barley plays no role presently, because there is no operating priesthood conducting any of the waving of the first fruits aspects of the instructions in Torah; we Natsarim know that Yahushua fulfilled this first fruits offering when He resurrected and presented Himself before YHWH. So, the unbelieving Karaites don't agree with us on every point. Ultimately, it's not BARLEY, but it's YAHUSHUA they should have been watching for. The barley was a metaphor or allegory which pointed to Yahushua. Now, when we see the full barley crop ready to be harvested, we can better appreciate what Torah was pointing at. Yahushua is the first harvest, and we His qodeshim (saints) are part of a group of the first fruits; the larger wheat harvest in the fall are those who respond to our planting and watering work. See? It's all about "shadows" of meaning -- we need to be more concerned about the meaning behind the actual grains growing in the ground.
As Rob Miller explained it so well, "Since the discrepancy between the solar and lunar years amounts to 207 days every 19 years, the "leap month" of Adar Sheni is added to the third, sixth, eight, eleventh, fourteenth, seventeenth and nineteenth year of every nineteen year period, that is, seven times in a 19-year lunar cycle." In other words, 7 years out of every 19 years must have 13 months -- so the last sitting Sanhedrin ordained that a month is to be added, or "intercalated", making those years have an ADAR I and an ADAR II. This past year was one of these, and some resist it because they saw a few grains of barley get ripened. The WHOLE barley harvest must be ready to harvest, and ready to reap: "When you come into the land which I give you, and shall reap its harvest, then you shall bring a sheaf of the first-fruits of your harvest to the priest." Lev. 23:10. The barley plays an important part, but it is only the "finger" pointing to Yahushua, our true "first-fruit offering", Who offered Himself to the Father. To keep looking at the finger (barley) is a very foolish thing to do -- it signifies the Mashiach, who "waved" (was dead, then came back to life) before the Father, YHWH.

 

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part 3

Pesach, Passover: (ref. Lev. 23, Dt. 16)
The evening of the 14th of Abib (Nisan), as we understand it, is at the beginning of the 14th, rather than in the end of the 14th (“there was evening, and there was morning . . .”). The western mind thinks "evening" is at the END of each day, but Scripturally the "evening" marks the beginning of a day. Yahushua stated He desired to eat the Passover meal before He suffered; yet even in those days there were differences among the Yahudim regarding the arrival of the "evening" of the 14th of Abib. While He was hanging on the tree, the Yahudim pleaded for Pilate to have His body taken down, BEFORE the arrival of the High Sabbath Day -- the 15th of that moon. It states they did not wish to enter the building because they did not wish to defile themselves, that they might "eat the Passover". At the same time, the text admits that the "High Sabbath" (the 15th, beginning Unleavened Bread) was approaching that sunset. They combined the Passover observance with the first day of Unleavened Bread, as we see they continue to do today. Yahushua must have eaten the Passover with His talmidim at the beginning of the 14th day, which started at sunset, and later the same night He was arrested in the garden.
Using the Roman date to help illustrate, we will observe the death of Yahushua (Pesach, Passover) at sunset on April 22, just as the weekly Shabbat arrives. The following sunset, as the weekly Shabbat ends, another “evening” heralds the arrival of a new day, the High Shabbat of the 1st day of Unleavened Bread. So, a weekly Shabbat will be immediately followed by the first High Shabbat of the new year. We still love all those who observe with a different understanding — the moed'im are “shadows” . . . our family of believers, — and the love between us all — is our biggest test of faithfulness. That love for one another is the how the world will know we are Yahushua's talmidim.
So, days begin at evening when the sun sets. The reason we can be sure of this is the example given at NehemYah 13:19:“And it came to be at the gates of Yerushaliyim, as it began to be dark before the Sabbath, that I commanded the gates to be shut, and commanded that they should not be opened till after the Sabbath.” There is only one evening every day, and it is at the beginning of it, not the end!

“And there was evening and there was morning the first day.” ​

Blow the shofar in the new moon, and in the full moon, the day of our feast." Ps 81:3
(Referring of course to the Sabbaths of the 7th moon, when we blow the shofar on the new moon day. The important thing to notice is the FULL MOON, the "day of our feast", which arrives on the 15th - Sukkoth or Tabernacles).

 

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part 4

Probably 99% of we Natsarim Israelites observe Pesach at the END of the 14th, and of those there are two views over how to start the moon count; so there is much division in the interpretation. All I've been trying to point out is that the FULL moon is the day of our feast (as we see Scripture tells us), and that Yahushua observed Pesach with His talmidim 24 hours ahead of the arrival of the 1st day of Matsah, which meant that He observed Pesach as soon as the 14th of the moon arrived. Had He waited until the END of the 14th to eat the Passover with His talmidim, He would have been in the tomb doing it. We see that the 14th is a night if vigilance, and much of the city was awake when Yahushua was arrested. The fact is, observances varied among the different groups back then, just as there are variations today. If we analyze how Yahushua showed us to do it by His own example, we'll be a bit odd to the majority, but that's fine. He said, "Do this in remembrance of Me." So we do "it" (Passover), and remember His death all day on the 14th of the first moon, beginning with the arrival of the 14th, not waiting until the 14th is over.
YHWH says to observe the Passover on the fourteenth day at evening. And, evening is when each day BEGINS. The day ENDS at sunset, which begins the evening, or new day. The western mind is conditioned to think of "evening" as the END, not the beginning. (Genesis shows us "There was evening, and there was morning, the Nth day . . . ") There is only ONE evening each day, and it is just after sunset, when the new day begins. Also, there is only one MORNING. "There was EVENING, and there was MORNING, the first day." Through revisionism, called "Replacement Theology", Easter became observed instead of Passover by the Catholic/Christian institution. Like Cain made up the method of worship he wanted, so did Catholicism, and her daughters have inherited 90% of her pattern.
Establishing when the cycle of night/day arrives is a never-ending discussion among the most dedicated of us. We must be on guard to never allow it to divide us however, because I would rather be wrong than see division between the observant qodeshim. I also agree that we can look at "evening" or darkening as the END of the day, or the closing minutes of the day, bringing a new period such as a Shabbath at sundown. Bere****h establishes the general example for us to consider: "And there came to be evening (darkening) and there came to be morning (lightening), the first day." This day began with darkness, then the light arrived -- so it seems to set the general theme for us to follow (although there are many who understand that YHWH began creation with light). Another interesting example of the "darkening" signaling the ARRIVAL of the next day is NehemYahu 13:19: "And it came to be, at the gates of Yerushalayim, as it began to be dark before the Sabbath, that I commanded the gates to be shut, and commanded that they should not be opened till after the Sabbath." When we consider the timing of Pesach, we have an animal penned up from the 10th day "until the 14th" -- when the 14th arrives, the action begins immediately:
Shemoth/Ex. 12:5-6:
"The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats. Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the people of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight."
Notice it is until the fourteenth, clearly not when the fourteenth is almost gone. There is an example of evening being at the END of the ninth day of the 7th moon however! "Evening" is the Hebrew word for "darkening", so in the case of Yom Kippur (the 10th), YHWH really wants us to get it; He says from the darkening of the 9th, which I admit is evening at the END of the ninth -- to the darkening of the next evening: "On the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you observe your Sabbath." Wayyiqra 23:32. This clearly shows that the "10th" of the 7th moon is from the evening (darkening, or actual sunset) at the ENDING of the ninth day, until the next sunset, the following evening. Now let's suppose that we interpreted this "evening" on the ninth to be at the beginning (as I'm suggesting as the general interpretation to be) of the ninth day, and the eighth day has just ended. In this case, from from evening to evening would have us thinking that the entire ninth day was our Sabbath of complete rest; which is clearly incorrect. Concerning the SEVEN days of ULB; Pesach is not a "Sabbath", but a distinct day separate from the other SEVEN of ULB. To include the day of Pesach with the seven days of ULB would make 8 DAYS without leavening. True, we eat the Pesach with matsah, unleavened bread; but we can still be cleaning out the leavening all through the 14th. We simply don't observe the Passover MEAL with leavened bread. The next sunset, marking the beginning of the feast of Matsah, is a high Sabbath, the 15th of the moon. From the beginning of this day through the entire SEVEN days, we have no leavening in our midst, nor do we eat any at all. So, Pesach is not one of the seven days, but a distinct day unto itself. Yahushua died at "twilight" because YHWH brought darkness over the whole land for His final hours, and it was impossible to have been an eclipse, because the moon was approaching full, being on the opposite side of Earth from the sun, not between them. I've read that other cultures around the world mention these hours of darkness occurring -- so YHWH could have turned off the sun for a period of time to bring a "darkening" upon the Earth to fulfill -- or even punctuate -- Yahushua's being the Passover Lamb.

I admit, there are topics like this that will remain controversial until Messiah returns -- and it is certainly not my intention to cause stumbling or division. If you understand differently, and can make sense of everything by doing it as you see it, I have no criticism to make. I rejoice with you for your willingness to obey! Ultimately, it will be our REBELLION that will fry us, not our errors. This year (2005 CE), many had their Pesach WEEKS before the orthodox calendar proclaimed it, due to the Karaite "barley" sighting. (Remember, it's not the "sighting" of barley, but the HARVEST that accompanies the observance of Matsah/Firstfruits). Well, those brothers and sisters are beloved of Yahushua as well, and I have to accept them as such.

 

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part 5

THE NEW MOON​

The determination of when a new moon occurs has been in dispute over a range of one or two days. But it’s not days we are concerned with—it is the moon. Any physicist, meteorologist or technically trained person can tell you that a new moon is a black ball, as you will see on your calendar. This is the determination that is currently used by the Yahudim. No one in Scripture ever says they "saw" a new moon. This comes only from encyclopedias and men's descriptions of what was "traditionally" recognized by the Sanhedrin. In the record of Scripture, there were no "witnesses" ever described who had to go look for the new moon. It became obvious by the FULL MOON, on the 15th, whether the count was correct, or not.
The renewed moon can be seen a day or two after the moon passes directly between the sun and the earth. People have begun to look for the new moon after sunset and they have called what they see (which is a crescent moon) the new moon. This procedure cannot be found from Scripture. The knowledge of when the new moon arrives is determined by simply counting. This is what was done:
1 Shemuel 20:5 “And Dawid said to Yochanon, ‘see tomorrow is the new moon, and I ought to sit with the sovereign to eat. But let me go and I shall hide in the field until the third day evening.’”
1 Shemuel 20:18: “So Yochanon said to him,' tomorrow is the new moon and you shall be missed because your seat shall be empty.’”
Nowhere in Scripture is there an example of anyone waiting to see the new moon, or looking up and seeing one. When the “crescent” moon is first visible, it is actually the 2nd day of the renewed moon. The crescent moon was used by the ancient world, but it was not Israel who used it; the worshippers of Diana (Artemis, Ishtar, Venus, Asherah, etc.,.) used it as her symbol, as do the Ishmaelites (and Islam) today.
The Yahudim have traditionally called the entire period of Passover and Unleavened Bread by the term “Passover.” (Luke 22:1).
On the fifteenth at the beginning of the day (which is at evening) is the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. No laborious work is to be done except for preparing meals. What has happened is, Passover was joined together with this first day of Unleavened Bread so when people sit down today for a Passover Seder, it’s really the fifteenth (the FULL MOON).
We perceive that the Yahudim are correct in their determining the new moon -- and we believe that Yahushua, our Passover Lamb, was sacrificed on the fourteenth. We believe that Yahushua’s last meal with His talmidim was what would be called Passover. He said, “with desire I have desired to eat this Passover with you before My suffering, for I say to you I shall certainly not eat of it again until it is fulfilled in the reign of Elohim.” Luke 22:15 & 16
So at the beginning of the fourteenth (at evening) we remember Yahushua’s death, which was on the fourteenth. The focus of the death of the lambs point to Yahushua. What day was Yahushua sacrificed? On the fourteenth. The first day of Matsah was (and is) the High Sabbath of the fifteenth, which is why there was an urgency to remove the bodies before the sun set. Since the requirement for the death of the Passover Lamb was to be between the beginning and ending of the evening, YHWH brought darkness over the entire land in the middle of the day.
Some get disturbed because the arrival of new moons is "predicted" and not "sighted" as they actually occur. It's not even a guess anymore. We not only know when the next new moon will be, but it can be known how many inches wide the moon's shadow will be during an eclipse over a given location on Earth 100 years from now. It is known, in inches, how far away the moon is. We know it's size and weight, and where it will be at a given moment in the future with absolute certainty. Only an uninformed and uneducated person would be unaware of these realities, so it's an insult to our intelligence to be told by a "leader" that they are "watching" for the moon to announce that it's really there, and right on time. It's not a train schedule, but a dependable time piece designed by Yahuah. It's more accurate than any clock in your possession. If you ever watch the second hand on your clock, and trust that it will be able to arrive back to a given position in exactly 60 seconds, then you can rely on the moon to be even more reliable than that. By the way, we received the convention of the "60" seconds, and "60" minutes, and the 360-degree circle from the mathematical base number system used by the Sumerians. They didn't use a base "10" as we do, but rather they used a base "60" - and it was all because they counted on each segment of their four fingers, and arrived at 12 segments. Then, to go higher, they used ALL the fingers on the counting hand and arrived at 12 X 5, which is 60. So, when you think of any of these things, remember they too are "fossilized" customs we've inherited from the first civilization after the flood. Ultimately, they probably inherited it from our original parent, Adam.

 

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part 6

HOW TO OBSERVE PASSOVER​

For those who may need some direction on observing Passover

Many people are beginning to learn about Passover in their Christian assemblies, and this is a very good trend to be seeing.
The Torah (Torah: "instruction", or Command, Declaration, Teaching, Direction) directs us to observe the Passover (Hebrew, Pesach),
being the remembrance of Yahushua's death. It is properly done in the family home, and we re-tell the account of Israel being brought forth from the land of Mitsrayim by the mighty hand of Yahuah. By observing Pesach, our children learn of the literal history of their faith
and walk, as well as the redemption plan set forth by Yahuah. Since Christians are believers
in Yahushua, they need to realize they are engrafted into Israel, and therefore must worship (obey) the same instructions
as given - and not repel the instructions (Hebrew, Torot) as many have been taught to do for many generations.
As Israelites, we are also priests to the nations, to teach them to obey the Torah of Yahuah. The washing of the feet is often done in imitation of Yahushua's act of washing the feet of His pupils. This act was done to teach those who would be "leaders" that we are all equally defiled in the sight of Yahuah. Also it is a teaching that we have only one Who leads us, and we are not to "lord" over one another in any way. The greatest among us is to be the servant of all, not the commander. If anyone washes feet, it should be those who have managed to put themselves in charge.


What we do to observe Passover

Our family has a special meal with shish-ka-bob lamb meat, matsah crackers, parsley, and horseradish included.
We read Shemoth / Exodus (ideally chapters 5 through 16), which is all the "haggadah" anyone should ever need.
The minimum texts a family should read would be chapters 12 and 13.

Then, we read the account of Mt. 26 & 27, which describes the Pesach observance of Yahushua with His talmidim.
It also provides the account of His arrest and death - which Pesach points to, since Yahushua is the Lamb of Yahuah.

The order (seder) traditionally observed by the Yahudim is fine also, however they miss the Mashiach in theirs.
To perform the traditional haggadah takes hours and hours. Here is one site where you can download a .pdf of one:
www.ccarnet.org/Haggadah

We prefer to stick to Torah and the Messianic approach, without the "leavening" of the Pharisees (Orthodox Judaism).
Human traditions have crept into most Messianic groups. Since Pesach is a night of "watching", we try to stay up very late.
Mashiach and His talmidim went out to the garden that same night, where He was arrested, and He was trying to keep them
from falling asleep. In fact, there were fires all over Yerushalyim that night, where people were up watching -- and Kepha
warmed himself at one of these.

We differ from many in that we observe Pesach at the beginning of the 14th, rather than the end. The 15th is the first day of
Matsah, so if you wait until twilight at the beginning of the 15th, the 14th is over - and you will have missed Pesach.

 

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Don't follow this without testing it with Scripture at Lev./Wayyiqra 23 & Dt./Debarim 16. The beginning of the 14th day of the
first moon this year will arrive at sunset, April 11, 2006 (Roman date, sorry about the Paganism). The following evening/sunset, will be the high Sabbath of the first day of Matsah, Unleavened Bread, the beginning of the 15th day of the moon, and the moon will be full - as it was when Yahuah led the children of Israel out of the land of Mitsrayim. ONLY THOSE WHO ARE CIRCUMCISED OF HEART (IMMERSED INTO THE NAME OF YAHUSHUA) ARE RENEWED COVENANT ISRAEL. NO OTHERS MAY OBSERVE PASSOVER. SEE EX./SHEMOTH CHAPTER 12 - WITHOUT BEING IMMERSED, ONE EATS OF THE PASSOVER UNWORTHILY, NOT BEING OF ISRAEL. NON-ISRAELITES HAVE NO COVENANT. WE MUST ENGRAFT THROUGH IMMERSION IN HIS NAME TO BECOME ISRAEL. SEE COL. 2:11-13, ROM. 2:28,29. THERE IS NO RELATIONSHIP WITH YHWH WITHOUT THE TORAH. HAVING NO TORAH WOULD BE LAWLESSNESS, AND AGAINST THE TEACHINGS OF YAHUSHUA. WE MUST WALK AS YAHUSHUA WALKED, IN TORAH. HE THAT CLAIMS TO KNOW HIM BUT DOES NOT DO HIS COMMANDS IS A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. SIN IS DEFINED BY TORAH, AND WITHOUT TORAH THERE CAN BE NO SIN. WE WOULD BE DUMB BEASTS WITHOUT TORAH.


Everyone celebrating "Mardi Gras", and preparing for the arrival of LENT, 40 days before EASTER, observes an ancient Babylonian custom. The 40 days represent the 40 years of Tammuz' lifetime, and the "weeping for Tammuz" -- since he was slain by a wild boar / pig in his 40th year. The "ash crux" the Catholics put on everyone's forehead is the symbol of Tammuz, the letter X (Tau). We shouldn't be going near any of that.
Yahushua is the Passover Lamb, so there is no need to have a physical lamb; but it is not necessarily wrong to do so. His body (the Lamb’s body), by His own words, is represented by the Matsah. The cup of the fruit of the vine represents the new covenant in His blood offered for the remission of sin. “Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin.” The matsah and grape juice don't "become" Yahushua, they are simply emblems which represent His body and blood. This has been called "cannibalism" by some, however the significance of this is that He will become PART of us, LIKE the food we eat; not BE the food. These are metaphorical, that is all. He seeks to live in us, and eating the emblems represents a picture of how He is the bread of life, the Torah, which we live by. We don't live by bread alone, but by every Word that proceeds from the mouth of YHWH. Yahushua is the Living Word of YHWH, the Torah become a living human being. We take bitter herbs (horseradish, parsley) with matsah, and take a cup of grape juice at evening as the 14th of Abib begins. We make sure those with us doing this have been immersed, which is their circumcision; and we examine ourselves to be sure we understand what the emblems represent, and that we take the observance very seriously. It is a remembrance of YAHUSHUA'S DEATH !!
It is still important for us today to remember how diligent Yahushua was in keeping His talmidim vigilant the night which followed the Passover Seder, because this was stipulated to be a night of vigilance by the Torah. Corresponding to the time of the slaying of the first born in ha shatan’s dominion, Yahushua was captured in the garden and His death began.
Exodus 12:30:
“And there was a great cry in Mitsrayim, for there was not a house where there was not a dead one.”
Exodus 13 :8,9: “And you shall inform your son in that day, saying ‘it is because of what YHWH did for me when I came up from Mitsrayim.’ And it shall be as sign to you on your hand and as a reminder between your eyes, that the Torah of YHWH is to be in your mouth, for with a strong hand, YHWH has brought you out of Mitsrayim.”
Exodus 12:42: “It is a night to be observed unto YHWH for bringing them out of the land of Mitsrayim. This night is unto YHWH, to be observed by all the children of Yisrael throughout their generations.”
The word “observed” is the Hebrew word shimmur and it means a vigil or a watch. Passover is not a Sabbath but a night of vigilance. This is why Yahushua was trying to keep His talmidim awake, and also why everyone was awake in the city, standing around fires for warmth. It could be that Yahushua wants us to watch, because like the slaying of the first born in Mitsrayim, He will use this same night some year to take the weeds out of the earth. This is the opposite of what the rapture cult has taught us.
As we observe the seven days of Matsah that follow, we remember that we left the bondage of sin behind. The unleavened bread represents our life with Yahushua without sin, and the haste of our deliverance.
The first day of Unleavened Bread was the day Israel came out of Mitsrayim; the seventh day of Unleavened Bread was the crossing of the Sea of Reeds and the death of the army of Mitsrayim. The first and seventh days of Matsah are high Sabbaths. We are commanded to eat unleavened bread those seven days, and have no leavened bread at all. This relates to our abandoning sin, and separation from the unclean and idolatrous secular realm, which will receive the judgment of YHWH. We definitely have nothing to do with "EASTER", which is a Pagan idol also known as ISHTAR, ASHERAH, ASTORETH, ASTARTE, etc.,. (see any encyclopedia).
WHERE DO WE OBSERVE PASSOVER?
Deut. 16:5: “You are not allowed to slaughter the Passover within any of your gates (cities) which YHWH your Elohim gives you, but at the place where YHWH your Elohim chooses to make His Name dwell, there you slaughter the Passover in the evening at the going down of the sun, at the appointed time you were taken out of Mitsrayim.”

Where do we observe Passover? Like the first one, we observe it in our homes. YHWH’s Name dwells in His living Temple, and we are the living stones of His Temple, made without hands. We do not slaughter a lamb, because the Lamb has been slain, once for all. (Poster's comments: Please remember, some may use this scripture to say we are not to do Passover, but Yahusha our Messiah has done this for us.)

 

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SHADOW OF COMING THINGS​

Passover points to our deliverance from sin, and to the marriage feast of the Lamb (Rev. 19:7-9) — we are YHWH’s wife (bride), since we are part of the engrafted (or even natural branches) of Israel (Romans 11). The judgment of the world will correspond to the 10 plagues of Mitsrayim. The 10th plague, Passover, represented the judgment of ha shatan, who was represented by Pharaoh (known as the “son of the sun”), and his dominion. Pharaoh was considered the “son of RA”, which was depicted as an eagle, a sundisc with eagle wings, a snake (like Marduk), or an obelisk (sun ray). The judgment was the killing of the firstborn, and all 10 plagues were judgments against Mitsrayim’s principal idols. The final plague, the death of the firstborn, showed the world the weakness of RA (shatan). The firstborn was to become the next Pharaoh. The Pharaoh’s (or RA’s) emblem was the eagle, which he wore on his chest, and has been used by shatan throughout his movements on the earth over all of history. The "obelisk" is another Pagan Babylonian image. The Washington Monument is the largest obelisk to ever exist, and it resides in shatan’s center of power today. It is on “lot 666”, and is exactly 6,660 inches high — thanks to the Masonic / Illuminati planners who govern the US. The eagle is the national bird, as it was for Germany, the “Holy” Roman Empire, the Roman Empire, Zeus of Greece, RA of Egypt, Ahura Mazda of Persia, and Baal of Babylon.
The firstborn Pagan lineage of Pharaoh was snapped off, and became impotent; Mitsrayim NEVER RECOVERED.

Sin is slavery, and is the mind of the flesh, but was overcome by Yahushua’s death.
The mind of the Spirit is Life, and you receive a LOVE of the Truth.
YHWH's Word is Truth (His Torah).
(This is what is called the renewed Covenant, when He writes His Torah on our hearts -- YermeYahu 31)​

THE MERCY SEAT​

The Ark of the Covenant (container of the Torah, the marriage covenant) was called “YHWH”, and the two cherubim on the lid are both Yisrael (but divided into 2 "houses", Beit Yahudah & Beit Yisrael. On the Mercy Seat, only one side received the sprinkled blood during the Lewitical priesthood, and this represented Yahudah (the Southern Kingdom, made up of Yahudah, Benyamin, and Lewi). These cherubim can also represent the 2 priesthoods (Melchizedek & Lewi). The House of Yahudah can be understood as the “firstborn”, or the “older brother” in the parable of the prodigal son. The 10 lost tribes (the 10 virgins) are the other cherub on the mercy seat, who became “lost” and lived like Pagans, worshipping in harlotry (idolatry), but eventually return. Yahushua said, “I was sent only for the lost sheep of the House of Israel.” The older brother, Yahudah, will become jealous to see the younger “lost” brother return to YHWH, and Yahushua’s blood has been sprinkled on the other side of the Mercy Seat now. Scripture calls the lost tribes “Ephraim” (Ezek. 37).

The 10 virgins can represent the 10 lost tribes. The 5 wise virgins have plenty of oil in their lamps because they searched the Scriptures for themselves, and knew the Name and the Torah. The 5 unwise virgins only took the traditions of men into account, and listened to what the paid “merchants” taught. They were told to go “buy” oil from the merchants, but by the time the Bridegroom arrived, they were unprepared to enter the marriage feast. YermeYahu 16:19b: “Our fathers have inherited only falsehood, futility, and there is no value in them.”

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THE RE-GATHERING​

YHWH says at YermeYahu 16:14-17:
“’Therefore see, the days are coming,’ declares YHWH, ’when it is no longer said, ’YHWH lives who brought up the children of Israel from the land of Mitsrayim’, but, ’YHWH lives who brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north and from all the lands where He had driven them’. For I shall bring them back into their land I gave to their fathers. See, I am sending for many fishermen,’ declares YHWH, ’and they shall fish for them. And after that, I shall send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain and every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks. For My eyes are on all their ways; they have not hidden from My face, nor has their crookedness been hidden from My eyes.” (See also Ezek. 37, Rev. 19:7-9).
Article compiled by Lew & Phyllis White

 

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Re: Natsarim: Messiah rose on Sabbath (7th day)

This article provides information that the Messiah rose towards the end of the 7th day--not on early sunday morning as currently believed. Must understand Hebrew days and times, not the Greek to have this understanding.

part 1

'After Three Days'

by Richard T. Ritenbaugh
1995

For centuries, the Christian churches of this world have believed that our Savior, Jesus Christ of Nazareth, died for our sins on Friday and rose from the dead on Sunday. Is there any truth to this belief? Can it be proven from the Scriptures? No! Worse, this belief has deceived Christians into accepting false doctrines like Sunday worship and Easter observance.
Was Christ telling the truth when He said, "after three days I will rise"? If not we have no Savior!
But our God does not lie! Here is the truth about the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ!​

Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ, the greatest Man ever to grace this earth, died at about 3 PM on Wednesday, April 25, AD 31. A few hours later, as sunset was drawing on, He was laid in the newly hewn tomb of Joseph of Arimathea. On the weekly Sabbath, Saturday, April 28, exactly three days after His burial, God the Father resurrected His Son to eternal life.
How can we be so precise and dogmatic?
It would be foolish to make such astounding claims without proof. How can we know when these momentous events occurred?
They are written very plainly in the accounts of Jesus' death and resurrection in the four gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Under the inspiration of God (II Timothy 3:16), these faithful men recorded the words and deeds of their Lord and Savior for the benefit of all humanity. God, as the ultimate author of these accounts, desired all the pertinent details of His Son's life to be written down as a witness to mankind of His perfect life and His sacrifice.
All the clues, all the indicators of the dates and times of these events, are scattered "here a little, there a little" (Isaiah 28:10) throughout the gospels. Other significant tidbits are strewn among other books of the Bible, somewhat like the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle. When the various pieces are put together with the remarkably complementary accounts of the gospel writers, the resulting time frame is unassailable.
We can know for certain when Jesus died and rose again!
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Do We Need to Know?​

Is it really important to be able to determine these events so accurately? Christians have lived and died for nearly two millennia. How important was this knowledge to their salvation? Is it even necessary for salvation?
It might be!
In themselves, these dates would be mere trivia if they had no connection to deeper spiritual truths. But this world's Christianity has based two of its most celebrated holidays on its reckoning of the events that occurred during that pivotal week. Good Friday and Easter Sunday, purporting to commemorate Jesus' death and resurrection, are founded on the assumption that our Savior was crucified on Friday and rose from the dead at dawn on the following Sunday.
"So?" one may say. "Isn't celebrating them at a fixed time of the year good enough? Doesn't that honor Christ?"
Not at all!

http://sabbath.org//index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.sr/CT/cggbooklets/k/419/printer/friendly
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[Shimmie]

Thank you for sharing this Tsiporah.

One of the biggest misconceptions is when Jesus DID actually die and rise again. We cant' get 72 hours (3 days/3 nights) from Friday to Sunday, which really amazes me why it is not only still preached/taught in many congregations and famous ministers, but not corrected.

There's such thing as 'Good Friday', indicating that Jesus was crucified on that day. The Bible never stated such. The Bible stated the Sabbath, which of course it was the Passover Sabbath (mid week).

It good to have this cleared up. Yet, even this misconception could never stop the power of the Blood of Jesus. He over rode it and still arises as our Lord God All Mighty and He always will.

Take care; "Happy Pesach"

 

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Todah (Thanks) Shimmie,

There are many things that need to be cleared up. This topic (Passover amongst others) should be at the top of everyone's list--**if** they love Messiah at all. But not all are willing to challenge their own beliefs and prefer to remain on the same rung of the ladder because of comfort zones. When one begins to truthfully study this whole subject, one will begin to see that two messiahs exist. It is up to that individual to figure out, which one they uphold.

Yes, *the* Messiah was crucified in the midst of the week and rose toward the end of the 7th day, which is called Saturday, there is no Sunday resurrection(People must study the origin of this).

Remember Yahusha (who many call Jesus) is the Master of Sabbath which is the seventh day. So He rose on it. This also symbolizes when He returns in the seventh millenium. The sabbath is the 7th day rest. Which Yahusha will usher in. It is all very prophetic.

It would behoove one for those who want to continue an Easter resurrection Sunday to study from whence this originated and remember that Yahuah (the Father) HATES mixing of truth with lies. Save the but my heart is good issue, because our hearts are deceptive and the Father's Ways are superior to our own.

Easter resurrection Sunday: Does one know what they are saying??? Ishtar's Resurrection Day! This is Ishtar's celebration and the Friday death was of another diety.


People must ask their pastors and leaders these questions and why they are not telling them this information. The sad thing is, many do know of this but prefer to keep it to themselves because they have already signed away what they are to say and not to say....in other words, compromise the truth instead doing as Yahusha did and tell the truth. Many are also 501c3 which keeps the churches from telling certain things, compromising once again.

The big names of mega-church (<--circe) so-called leadership will NOT tell you the complete truth and when a half truth is told, that constitutes a lie. They are millionaire businesses whose interest is themselves, regardless of what they say and how much they apparently bless people.

Write to them about it, (I have done this.) and all you will get is a packet or mail asking for tithe and donations.

But all I am asking is that people do some praying and fasting and ask if these people are real and ask for the truth path of Yahuah's Ways. Ask for discernment.

Digressing:
Fasting and Praying will get you some answers, I am not telling one wrongly. But only those who are truly hungry will do such, the rest will just fall by the wayside and return to the ways that Yahuah does not approve of---not one bit, in this Laodicean age. It is those who are not interested, whom He will spew out of His mouth. Do we actually think all 30,000 members of Joel Osteens church is kosher? Do we actually know how many witches, mediums, and wizards reside in these places, as they get larger and larger? This is why the Scriptures speak of a remnant. Only those who are His will find His Ancient Path.

Ahmein! and Ahmein!

Tsiporah

 

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Three Days and Three Nights?

The Resurrection was not on Sunday​

Larry R. Lasiter

Each year many observe "Good Friday", the day they believe that Jesus was crucified. Then "Easter" Sunday will be observed as the day Christ arose from the dead. But was Jesus truly crucified on a Friday and resurrected on a Sunday Morning? And does it really matter?​

The Sign of Jonah ​

If you believe in Jesus as the Messiah, then it does matter, because the only sign which would be given to prove that He was the promised Messiah is the sign of Jonah.
When the Jewish religious leaders asked Jesus for a sign to prove that He was sent from God, Jesus answered,- "An evil and adulterous generation craves for a sign; and yet NO SIGN shall be given to it BUT THE SIGN OF JONAH the prophet. For just as Jonah was THREE DAYS and THREE NIGHTS in the belly of the sea monster, so shall the Son of man be THREE DAYS and THREE NIGHTS in the heart of the earth." (Matthew 12:39-40)

Jesus said, not only three DAYS but also three NIGHTS.
That is 72 hours in the grave.
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Many erroneously assume that because Jesus was crucified on the "day of preparation" that He was killed on "Friday", the weekly preparation day. Notice,- And behold, a man named Joseph, who was a member of the Council, a good and righteous man, a man from Arimathea, a city of the Jews, who was waiting for the kingdom of God; this man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. And he took it down and wrapped it in a linen cloth, and laid Him in a tomb cut into the rock, where no one had ever lain. And it was the PREPARATION DAY, and the SABBATH WAS ABOUT TO BEGIN. Now the women who had come with Him out of Galilee followed after, and saw the tomb and how His body was laid. And they returned and prepared spices and perfumes. And on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment." (Luke 23:50-56) ​

We can read the same account in the other gospels as well, so it is very clear that Jesus was killed and buried on the day of preparation. But how can we get THREE DAYS and THREE NIGHTS from near sundown Friday to Sunday morning? Friday NIGHT would be ONE NIGHT, Saturday would be ONE DAY. Saturday NIGHT would be TWO NIGHTS and Sunday morning could not even be counted as a DAY. This reckoning would give us only ONE DAY and TWO NIGHTS, not the THREE DAYS and THREE NIGHTS Jesus gave as His only sign.

Jesus certainly made no mistake so what is the answer to this puzzle? The answer can only be found when we understand which Sabbath is being prepared for observance. There are more "Sabbaths" than just the weekly Sabbaths. They are called "Annual Sabbaths" or "High Days."
These are a part of the annual Festivals commanded by God in Leviticus 23, and are the Lord's appointed times for assembly and observance. They may fall on any day of the week during the year.
The ANNUAL SABBATHS are (1) First Day of Unleavened Bread. (2) Seventh Day of Unleavened Bread. (3) Feast of Pentecost or First Fruits (always Sunday). (4) Feast of Trumpets. (5) Day of Atonement. (6) Feast of Tabernacles or Booths. (7) Last Great Day.
Now with this understanding let us read Leviticus 23:5-7,- "In the first month, on the FOURTEENTH DAY of the month at twilight is the Lord's PASSOVER. Then on the FIFTEENTH DAY of the same month there is the FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD to the Lord; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. On the FIRST DAY you shall have a HOLY CONVOCATION; you shall not do any laborious work."
http://www.pointsoftruth.com/articles/threedays.html

 

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Con't...

Notice that this ANNUAL SABBATH follows the Lord's PASSOVER. Now notice Luke 22:15,- Jesus said to His disciples,- "I have earnestly desired to eat this PASSOVER with you before I SUFFER."
After the PASSOVER MEAL they departed to the Mount of Olives. In Luke 22, Verse 47 we find Jesus betrayed by Judas Iscariot and in Verse 54,- arrested.

All this happened on the PASSOVER, the 14th of Nissan. ​

The following morning (still the Passover), Jesus was tried, beaten and sentenced to death by crucifixion. We find in Matthew 27, Verse 50 that Jesus cried out with a loud voice and died. Verse 46 tells us it was at the "ninth hour" of the day (Passover), which is 3 in the afternoon.
All of this, from the eating of the Passover, to His death and burial, took place on the 14th of Nissan, the Passover.
Joseph, who asked Pilate for Jesus' body, had until sundown to prepare the body with spices and secure Him in His tomb. Days began and ended at sundown, so sundown would begin a new day, in this case a High Sabbath, the First Day of Unleavened Bread.(15th Nissan)
This day of preparation mentioned in the Gospels was not to prepare for a "weekly" Sabbath, but the First Day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

Jesus was crucified in 31 A.D. (I surmise) on Passover 14th Nissan, a WEDNESDAY that year (30 A.D. and 31 A.D. both had a Wednesday Passover according to the perpetual calendar) was buried just prior to sundown which would begin the next day,- THURSDAY, 15th Nissan a High Day. THREE DAYS and THREE NIGHTS later, near the end of the WEEKLY SABBATH (Saturday), He arose from the dead.Notice,- Luke 24:1-3,- "But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bringing the spices which they had prepared. And they found the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they entered, they did not find the Body of the Lord Jesus."

It was early SUNDAY MORNING and Jesus was ALREADY GONE.
He was not resurrected on Sunday morning, the tomb was already empty.​

Fulfilling the "Sign of Jonah", Jesus was true to His own prophecy concerning Himself,- He was in the grave Wednesday NIGHT(1st), Thurs-DAY(1st), Thursday NIGHT(2nd), Fri-DAY(2nd), Friday NIGHT(3rd) Satur-DAY(3rd). Thus THREE FULL DAYS and THREE FULL NIGHTS.
If He arose on Sunday morning, that would be three days and FOUR NIGHTS, thus nullifying the Lord's own prophecy of His resurrection.
If Jesus was put in the tomb just before sundown, then He must have been resurrected from the tomb at that same time of day three days later. Which would be near the end of the weekly Sabbath as it was beginning to get dark. At sundown would begin Sunday, the first day it was noticed that He was gone from His tomb.

WHAT ABOUT MARK 16:9? ​

Many point out that Mark Chapter 16, Verse 9 does not harmonize with the other resurrection accounts given in the Gospel records. They may be right, notice,- "Now after He had risen EARLY ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons." (Translators added punctuation, so if a comma was supposed to be after "risen", then the Verse would be saying that "After Jesus had risen (previous evening), He appeared to Mary on the "first day.") But let's leave it as it is and consider the following.
So which gospel account is a sincere Christian to believe? Well, the answer is in your own Bible if it has a center-reference. If you look closely at Mark 16, beginning in Verse 9, you will see that Verses 9 through 20 are in "brackets". Why? Check your own center-reference and you will read that these Verses are not found in the older manuscripts of the Bible. This is the translators way of warning the reader that what they are reading may be "spurious." Meaning that it may have been ADDED at a LATER DATE to promote a targeted agenda.
After the second century the Scriptures were penned by Scribes who would later be known as Catholic Monks living in Monasteries. Since the "resurrection festival" was promoted by those who would later be known as the leaders of Catholicism, and was ordered held on "resurrection Sunday", it is likely that these Verses in Mark were added during the "Passover Controversy." Incidently, there has been other Verses which have been found to be spurious and later removed from future translation revisions.
One such Verse is found in 1 John Chapter 5, Verse 7, which reads in the KJV,- "For there are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one."
The true rendering of this Verse from the oldest Greek Manuscripts is,- "And it is the spirit which bears witness, because the spirit is the truth."
As you can see, nothing at all alike. Why? The first rendering is from the Latin Vulgate, a Roman Catholic translation by the Bishop, Jerome.Why would Jerome take the liberty to alter a verse to say that there are THREE in Heaven comprising the God-Head, and further add that THEY ARE ONE? Perhaps it is because of another "controversy", this time concerning the "Nature of God." After years of debate, the Catholic Churchfinally ruled that God is a Trinity of beings,- yet one. Many translations do not add this Verse, realizing that coming from the Latin Vulgate ( completed in 405 A.D.) was probably spurious, being too self-serving to the Catholics new doctrinal position.

Jesus was Crucified on a Wednesday PASSOVER, because He IS OUR PASSOVER LAMB. God always does things ON TIME and at His APPOINTED TIMES.Everything surrounding the first Passover observance in ancient Egypt was foreshadowing Him, the true Lamb to come that would save man from death by giving His own precious life as a sacrifice.
As Christians, we no longer observe this very special day as a memorial of deliverance of Israel from Egypt, but as a memorial of the death of our Lord who delivered us from eternal death. Don't neglect this meaningful memorial.

 

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Three Days and Three Nights

Messiah's Claim to Messiahship stands or falls by the fulfilment of the Sign which He gave as a Challenge to those who questioned His identity -
i.e. that He would be resurrected after 3 Days and 3 Nights in the Grave.​

The Friday Crucifixion - Sunday Resurrection teaching fails this Test.
Discover the revealing Truth which confirms His true Claims
- and opens up several more Truths
http://www.revelations.org.za/3D3N.htm

(My comment Tsipy: This is what I mean, if Yahusha died Friday and rose Sunday, then He would be made out to be a false Messiah.)

Crucifixion/Resurrection Chart <----click, to see for one's self.


Matt . 12 : 40. "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."
Aпу claim to True Messiahship stands or falls by the exact fulfilment of this very Sign.
But - - - stretch as you may - 3 DAYS AND 3 NIGHTS can never ever be found in man's most common teaching of a "Good Friday" Crucifixion and an "Easter Sunday" Resurrection - can you figure it

Read the astounding Scriptural account of the facts on which Messiah based His claims of being the TRUE Saviour ... for, UNLESS He failed the Test set by Himself ... then
- Messiah was NOT crucified on 'GOOD FRIDAY’
- Neither was He resurrected on 'EASTER SUNDAY’.
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What Messiah do we honor??

Tsipy

 

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Easter? This part is for those who really want to know. Not for the angry person who want to remain with the status quo or make justifications for why they do what they do. In Yahuah's realm, ALL boats must be rocked and ALL bushes must be shaken!!!!!!So let this goddess (BKA-Satan) be revealed.. Tsipy

Chapter Nineteen
Fish, Friday, and the Spring Festival
From Babylon, Mystery Religion
Reverend Ralph Woodrow, 1965​

We have seen right from the scriptures that Friday was very definitely NOT the day of the week on which Christ was crucified. Yet each Friday many Catholics abstain from meat (substituting fish in its place) supposedly in remembrance of the Friday crucifixion. Roman Catholics in the United States are no longer required by their church to abstain from meat on Fridays (as formerly) - except during Lent - nevertheless many still follow the custom of fish on Friday.
Having seen how numerous doctrines and rites were adopted into the Roman Catholic church from paganism, we need not be surprised to find that numerous attempts were also made to "Christianize" certain popular pagan days and their accompanying customs. Has this been the case with Friday and fish? Certainly the scriptures never associate Friday with fish. On the other hand, there is evidence of the basic idea among the philosophies of the pagans!
The word "Friday" comes from the name of "Freya", who was regarded as the goddess of peace, joy and FERTILITY by the ancient pagans. And as the

symbol of her fertility, the FISH was regarded as being sacred to her! How the fish has from the very early times been a symbol of fertility. It was a well known symbol of fertility among the ancient Babylonians, as well as the Assyrians, Phoenicians, the Chinese, and others. The very word "fish" comes from the original word "dag" implying increase or fecundity. The reason the fish was used as a symbol of fertility is seen by the simple fact that it has a very high reproduction rate. For example, a single cod fish annually spawns upwards of 9,000,000 eggs; the flounder, 1,000,000; the sturgeon, 7,000,000; the perch, 400,000; the mackerel, 500,000; the herring, 10,000; etc. And so, from ancient times, the fish has been a symbol of sexual fertility, and thus was associated with the goddess of fertility - Freya - Friday! Now we are beginning to see the real significance of Friday and fish.
The Romans called the goddess of sexual fertility by the name of Venus. And thus it is from the name of the goddess Venus that our modern words "venereal" and "venereal disease" have come. Friday was regarded as her sacred day, because it was believed that the planet Venus ruled the first hour of Friday and thus it was called dies Veneris. And to make the significance complete, the fish was also regarded as being sacred to her. The accompanying illustration, as seen in "Ancient Pagan and Modern Christian Symbolism", shows the goddess Venus with her symbol, the fish. The similarities betwee the two, would indicate that Venus and Freya were originally one and the same goddess and that original being the mother-goddess of Babylon.

The same association of the mother goddess with the fish-fertility symbol is evidenced among the symbols of the goddess in other forms also. The fish was regarded as sacred to Ashtoreth, the name under which the Israelites worshipped the pagan goddess. And in ancient Egypt, Isis is represented with a fish on her head, as seen in the accompanying illustration.
In view of these things concerning Friday being named after the goddess of sexual fertility, Friday being that day from olden times was regarded as her sacred day, and since FISH was her sacred symbol; it seems more than a mere coincidence that to this day, Catholics are taught that Friday is a special day, a day of abstinence from meat, a day to eat fish!
Now we have already noticed that Friday was not the day of the crucifixion of Christ and neither was Easter Sunday morning the time of His resurrection, as is commonly assumed. Surely then, this is not the true foundation for the observance of Easter. From where then does Easter observance come? Did the apostles ever observe Easter? Did the early Christians dye easter eggs or go to the bakery and buy hot cross buns? Did Peter or Paul ever conduct an Easter sunrise service? Where did all of these customs come from?
http://www.eaec.org/bibleanswers/christmas/chapter_19.htm

 

[tsiporah]

con't...

To begin with, let us consider the very word "Easter" itself. The word "Easter" appears once in the King James Version of the Bible:"...intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people..."(Acts 12:4). The original word that is here translated "easter" is "pascha" which is (as ALL scholars know and recognize) the Greek word for PASSOVER and has no connection with the English word "Easter" whatsoever. (See for yourself by checking ANY Bible dictionary) The King James Version is the only version of the Bible that has inserted the word Easter instead of Passover in this text. It is well known that the word "Easter" is not a Christian expression, not in its original meaning. The word itself, as the dictionaries and encyclopedias explain, comes from the name of a pagan goddess, the goddess of spring. Easter is but a more modern form of Ishtar, Eostre, Ostera, or Astarte. Ishtar, another name for Semiramis of Babylon, was pronounced as we pronounce "Easter" today! And so the name of the Spring Festival, "Easter", is definitely paganistic, the name being taken from the name of the goddess.

And not only is the name "Easter" of pagan origin, but we shall see that the traditional customs and observances of this season originated in paganism also. A good example of this can be seen in the well known usage of the Easter egg. From the "egg-rolling" on the White House lawn to the yard of the most humble home, eggs are colored, hid, hunted, and eaten -- each year at the "Easter" season. But where did this custom of using eggs at this season begin? Are we to suppose that Christians of the New Testament dyed eggs? Do eggs have anything to do with Christ or His resurrection? The answer is obvious. Such usage is completely foreign to the Bible.On the other hand, the egg was a sacred symbol among the Babylonians! They believed an old fable about an egg of wondrous size which was supposed to have fallen from heaven into the Euphrates River. From this marvelous egg --according to the ancient story -- the goddess Astarte (Easter), was hatched. And so the egg came to symbolize the goddess Easter. From Babylon (the MOTHER of false religion) humanity was scattered to the various parts of the earth and with them they took the idea of the Mystic Egg. Thus we find the egg as a sacred symbol among many nations.

The ancient Druids bore an egg as the sacred emblem of their idolatrous order. The procession of Ceres in Rome was preceded by an egg. In the Mysteries of Bacchus, an egg was consecrated as part of their ceremony. China, yet today, uses dyed or colored eggs in their sacred festival. In Japan, an ancient custom has been to make their sacred egg a hard brazen color. In Northern Europe in pagan times, eggs were colored and used as symbols of the goddess Easter. The illustration shows two ways in which the pagans represented their sacred eggs. On the left is is the sacred egg of Helioplis; on the right, the Typhon's Egg. Among the Egyptians, the egg was associated with the sun -- the "golden egg." Their dyed eggs were used as sacred offerings at the Easter season.
Says the Encyclopedia Britannica: "The egg as a symbol of fertility and of renewed life goes back to the ancient Egyptians and Persians, who had also the custom of coloring and eating eggs during their spring festival." None can dispute the fact that the egg as a sacred symbol has been a part of pagan festivities from ancient times.
How then, we ask, did this custom come to be associated with Christianity? Its adoption into the Romish "church" is but further evidence of the great compromise that was made with paganism -- a compromise to gain popularity with both sides! And as when other rites were adopted by the "church", apostate leaders attempted to find some similarity between the pagan rite and some Christian event; so in this case, it was suggested that as the chick comes out of the egg, so Christ came out of the tomb! Thus, fallen church leaders (void of the Holy Spirit) told the people that the egg was the symbol of the resurrection of Christ! Pope Paul V even appointed a prayer in connection with the egg! "Bless, O Lord, we beseech thee, this thy creature of EGGS, that it may become wholesome sustenance unto thy servants, eating it remembrance of our Lord Jesus Christ," etc. And so another "mixture" passed into Babylon Modern and has in turn become a part of present day customs.

 

[tsiporah]

Now even as the fish was associated with the goddess as a sign of sexual fertility, so also, the egg was but another symbol of fertility. When we think about it, it is tragic that such a vile symbolism came to be associated with Christianity, when in reality such things have no connection with TRUE Christianity at all! And even as fish and eggs were fertility symbols of the Mystery religion, so also is the Easter Rabbit (the Hare) a symbol of fertility. "Like the easter egg, the easter hare," says the Encyclopedia Britannica , "came to Christianity from antiquity. The hare is associated with the moon in the legends of the ancient Egypt and other peoples...Through the fact that the Egyptian word for hare, UM, means also 'open' and 'period', the hare came to be associated with the idea of periodicity, both lunar and human, and with the beginning of new life in both the young man and young woman, and so a symbol of fertility and of the renewal of life. As such, the hare became linked with Easter...eggs." Thus both the Easter Rabbit and Easter eggs were symbols of sexual significance, symbols of fertility!
Another custom that is closely connected with the Easter season is the baking and eating of "hot cross buns." Again, this appears at first glance to be a Christian custom because of the shape or marking on the buns of the cross. But, as we have seen earlier, the cross symbol is not a Christian symbol. On the other hand, as early as the days of Cecrops, founder of Athens (1500 B.C.), such buns were used in the worship of the queen of heaven. "The history of the cross bun goes back to... the LIBA offered to Astarte" -- the Queen of Heaven. In the days of Jeremiah, God rebuked His people for the practice in which "the children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make CAKES to the queen of heaven... Therefore thus saith the Lord God: Behold, mine anger and my fury shall be poured out upon this place" (Jeremiah 7:18-20; 44:17-19, 25). Now in these two chapters of Jeremiah, the word translated "cake" is "kavvan" meaning "bun." (In all other places in the Bible, except in these two chapters, the word cakes is translated from different words.) And so here was some type of special cake (or bun) as part of the Mother Goddess worship. These buns were very possibly made in the shape of a cross or marked with a cross, for this symbol was regarded as sacred to her.
Another Easter custom that is celebrated in many parts of the land is Easter Sunrise Service. The common assumption is that such services honor Christ because He rose on Easter Sunday morning just as the sun was coming up! But though this is widely believed, we have already seen that the resurrection of Christ did not occur at sunrise. It was yet DARK when Mary Magdalene came to the tomb on the first day of the week and the tomb was already empty! (John 20:1) Since our Lord's resurrection did not take place at dawn, then surely this is no basis for sunrise services.
On the other hand, there was a type of sunrise service that was a part of old pagan customs connected with sun-worship! Now we do not mean to imply that Christian people today literally worship the sun in their Easter sunrise services. Nor do we say that the Catholic who bows before the monstrance sun-image and worships the round, sun-shaped host, is literally worshipping the sun. But what we are saying is that such practices are an obvious mixture of paganism with Christianity.
In the Old Testament of the Bible, God's people went into Babylonian captivity because they mixed sun-worship rites into their worship. God showed this to the prophet Ezekiel. "And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house," said the prophet, "and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the EAST; and they worshipped the sun toward the EAST." (Ezekiel 8:16) Here then were people that had known God, yet they allowed this mixture of sun-worship to enter in and defile them.

 

[tsiporah]

But was this worship conducted at SUNRISE? Yes. It was definitely a sunrise service, for the scriptures declare that they worshipped the sun toward the EAST. And of course the sun is in the east at early morning -- at sunrise!
It was also to the east that the prophets of Baal looked in the days of Elijah! As we have already seen, the sun was regarded as the representative of Baal (the deified Nimrod). Therefore, when Elijah challenged the false prophets of Baal on Mount Carmel with the words: "The God that answers by FIRE, let him be God", he was meeting Baal worship on its own grounds -- fire being regarded as the representation of the sun-god. And at what time of the day was it that these false prophets of Baal started calling on him? It was as Baal (the SUN) made his first appearance over the eastern horizon; for it was at "morning", that is, DAWN (I Kings 18:26) Of course no answer came from the sun-god Baal, so they continued until noon and the rest of the day.
Rites connected with the dawning sun (in one form or another) were known in many ancient nations. Those who made the Sphinx in Egypt, built it to watch for the rising sun in the east. From Mount Fuji-yama, Japan, prayers are made to the rising sun: "The pilgrims pray to their rising sun while climbing the mountain sides...sometimes one may see several hundreds of Shinto pilgrims in their white robes turning out from their shelters, and joing their chants tot he rising sun." And the pagan Mithrists of Rome (whom we have already mentioned) met together at dawn in honor of the sun god.
Now turning again to the Eighth Chapter of Ezekiel in which the prophet saw 25 men looking to the east at sunrise, we notice that they didn't seem to think it mattered much if such an observance was mixed in with their worship. They evidently thought it was a "light thing." But concerning this, God spoke to Ezekiel: "Hast thou seen this, O Son of man? Is it a light thing...that they commit the abominations which they commit here?...and, lo, they put the branch to their nose" (Verse 17) This rite of putting the branch to the nose was also associated with the dawn of the sun in the east. This was an idolatrous ritual of holding up a branch of tamarisk (called barsom) to the nose at daybreak while they sang hymns to the rising sun.
It is evident that such sunrise services were RELIGIOUS gatherings. But is there any indication that these services were conducted at the "Easter" season, in the spring of that year? Yes, there is! Actually, as we already briefly mentioned, the very name "Easter" comes from the name of the pagan goddess of SPRING and this was the time of her festival. She was regarded as the goddess of the rising light in the east, as the very word "East-er" shows. "The English EASTER...is at all events connected with the east and sunrise..." Thus the dawn of the sun in the "east", the name "easter", and the Spring season season are all connected.
But to further see the connection between the sunrise services, the goddess Easter, and the Spring season, let us consider the following: In the old fables of the Mystery cults, their "savior", Tammuz, was worshipped with various rites at the Spring season. According to the legends, after he was slain, he went into the underworld. But through the weeping of his "MOTHER", Ishtar (Easter), he mystically was revived. And the sign of his supposed coming to life again, was represented in the springing forth of the vegetation in Spring!

 

[tsiporah]

Each year a spring festival dramatically represented this supposed "resurrection" from the underworld: "The resurrection of Tammuz through Ishtar's grief was dramatically represented ANNUALLY in order to insure the success of the crops and the fertility of the people...Each year men and women had to grieve with Ishtar over the death of Tammuz and celebrate the god's return, in order to win anew her favor and her benefits!" When the new vegetation began to come forth, those ancient people saw in this a symbol that their "savior" had come from the underworld, and this coming forth was supposed to be the thing that ended winter and caused Spring to begin.
Now turning once again to Ezekiel Eight, we find that along with the worship of the sun toward the east, the practice of weeping with Ishtar for Tammuz was also observed. As we read in verse 14: "Behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz"! And then in the verses that follow, Ezekiel saw the sun-worship rites. So here, even the people that had known God, had mixed the Babylonian religion into their worship -- weeping with Ishtar the "Mother" for the dead Tammuz. This was a part of the Spring Festival (the spring forth of new life, new vegetation, etc., supposedly representing the coming forth of Tammuz from the underworld.) And closely connected with these SPRING festivities were the rites in which men looked to the east, to the rising sun at dawn!
Now since the true Savior, our Lord Jesus Christ, in reality did rise (not merely in nature, plants, etc.); and since His resurrection was in the spring of the year (though slightly earlier than the pagan festival of olden times) it was not too hard for the church of the fourth century (now greatly departed from the true faith anyway) to merge the pagan spring festival into Christianity, attaching the various phases of it to Christ. In this way, it would appear to be a Christian Festival, yet at the same time, it would retain many of its ancient customs. In this way, both sides were coaxed into the professing "church." In speaking of this merger, the Encyclopedia Britannica says: "Christianity...incorporated in its celebration of the great Christian feast day many of the heathen rites and customs of the Spring festival" -- the ancient pagan festival!
The evidence then is clear: today's observance of Easter is not purely Christian. Its customs are plainly a MIXTURE, a mixture of paganism and Christianity. Some feel, however, that we can take these various customs and use them to honor Christ. After all, it is reasoned, do not most Christians think of Christ at this season? Though the pagans worshipped the sun toward the east, could we not have sunrise services to honor the resurrection of Christ, even though this is not the time of the day He rose? And even though the egg was used by pagans, can't we continue its use and pretend it symbolizes the large rock that was in front of the tomb? In other words, some feel we can take all of these pagan beliefs and ideas, and instead of applying them to the false gods as the heathen did, we will use them to glorify Christ. At first glance, this might SEEM like good reasoning. But this idea of adding pagan customs into the worship of the true God is utterly and absolutely condemned in the Bible! Here is what God says: "TAKE HEED... that thou inquire not after their gods (pagan gods), saying: How did these nations serve their gods? Even so will I do likewise. Thou shalt NOT do so unto the LORD thy God...What thing soever I command you, observe to do it; thou shalt not ADD thereto..." (Deuteronomy 12:30-32). Plainly then, our God does not want to add anything to His worship. He does not want us to use customs and rites that the heathen used, even though we might claim to use them to honor HIM.
Having adopted the pagan Spring festival of Ishtar or Easter into the fallen church, it was but a natural step to adopt the old "fast" that preceded the Spring festival also. Today, this period of forty days before Easter is known as lent. In olden times, these forty days were observed with weeping, fasting, and self-chastisement for Tammuz (to gain anew his favor) so he would come forth from the underworld, end winter, and cause spring to begin. According to the old legends, Tammuz was forty years old when he was killed by a wild boar. And so forty days (a day for each year he lived on earth) were set aside to "weep for Tammuz." The observance of this period of time in honor of Tammuz was not only known at Babylon, but it was also known among Phoenicians, the Egyptians, and, for a time, even among God's Old Testament people when they fell into apostasy (Ezekiel 8).

 

[tsiporah]

The forty days' of abstinence of lent was known among the Devil worshippers of Koordistan who inherited the spring observance from their early masters, the Babylonians. Such an observance was also known among the pagan Mexicans who observed "a solemn fast of forty days in honor of the sun." "Among the pagans," says Hislop, "this lent seems to have been an indispensable preliminary to the great annual festival in commemoration of the death and resurrection of Tammuz."
Today, lent (the period of forty days before Easter) is likewise considered a very important part of the Roman Catholic religion. But such a belief is not founded on the Bible, but is as we have seen a doctrine whose roots are in Babylonish paganism. As this paganism and Christianity were mixed together, little by little, pagan "lent" was merged into the professing "church", only now supposedly to honor Christ instead of the pagan sun gods to which it had formerly been used. It was during the sixth century that the Pope officially instituted the observance of Lent, calling it a "sacred fast", and ordered the people abstain from meat and a few other foods for the length of its duration.
In our time, some Catholics may not eat chocolate bars, others may abstain from butter, another may smoke one cigarette a day instead of twenty, another may give up drinking during this time. But what lasting results are accomplished through such an observance? None. In fact, this is the very type of apostasy that Paul warned could enter in. He mentioned that when the departure from the true faith came, men would teach "doctrines of devils" (pagan doctrines) and especially mentioned one of these doctrines of "commanding to abstain from meats (foods)" (I Timothy 4:1-4).
Of course, to the world that does not understand the "mystery" of all of this, they think lent and days of "abstinence" are most surely of Christian origin and are of great virtue. But in reality, just the opposite is the teaching of the Bible and reason.

 

[ThursdayGirl]

Thanks for this! I didn't understand all of it (blush) for not being so familiar with all of the words and names used, BUT, it was very enlightening!

I have to say though, I don't know that I agree all of the part regarding lent. Most of the people/churches that I know, do it to recognize the 40 day fast of Jesus (Mat. 4:1-2). Christians who participate are supposed to focus on God, prayer, and their walk during this time. They are supposed to desire to be better Christians. Interesting, however that there are other religions that also had something similar.

 

[tsiporah]

For those sheep who are tired of being taken to dirty waters to drink and brown grass to eat by their so-called Pastors/Shepherds. May Yahusha Messiah take those sheep away from these shepherds who are fattening themselves and place them in His own care to feed. -Tsipy
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Excerpts::

Should a Christian get out of Idolatry?
John S. Torell​

Unless a person knows that he is involved in idolatry, he will never try to stop any activities of idolatry. American Christians who faithfully participate in Halloween, Christmas, Valentine's Day, St. Patrick's Day, Lent, Easter Egg Hunts and other activities around Easter claim these are harmless American traditions that mean nothing and are just fun for the children and adults.
In the Scandinavian countries the Christians do not have Halloween or St. Patrick's Day, but instead dress their children up around Easter In the same fashion as in America on Halloween. They explode their "Easter bombs," (small fire works like the ones used on July 4th in America). On April 30th, they light their bonfires to scare off the witches that are returning from "Blakulla," where they have previously flown to have sex with the Devil. On May first they dance around the May Pole, and in the month of June the girls pick "seven kinds of flowers, " which are put under the pillow so that the young girls can dream and see their future husbands, not to mention the dancing around the "Midsummer Pole."
Every nation and culture in the world has been able to retain traditions dating back to Idol worship in that nation before the Christian faith was preached. Voodoo is a damning left-over of African witchcraft and Roman Catholic traditions, plaguing the southern United States and nations like Haiti. American Indians are bringing back their "Medicine Doctors," including rituals like "Sweat ceremony, peyote, drumming etc."
Most Christians proclaim that they are not worshipping any demon gods, they are just participating in some old traditions that mean nothing spiritual to them. IS THIS A VALID STATEMENT IN HARMONY WITH THE BIBLE? The answer Is NO!
Listen to what the apostle Paul states:

Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar? What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing? But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he? I Corinthians 10:18-22
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In his letters to the Ephesians, the apostle Paul tells that the believer should not even mention in his speech any uncleanness, neither filthiness or foolish talking, nor jesting or anything that is unclean. The believer in Christ should not even have fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. (Ephesians 5:1-17)
What many Christians have not understood is that THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PERSON WORSHIPPING A DEMON GOD IN RITUAL TRADITIONS, OR A CHRISTIAN ONLY PARTAKING IN THE RITUAL TRADITIONS, BUT NOT TAKING PART OF THE WORSHIP!

Read the rest here....if you dare!

http://www.eaec.org/bibleanswers/christmas/christians_and_idolatry.htm

 

[alexstin]

I know about some of this stuff(but some is new!) but honestly it doesn't really phase me. I don't feel I need to celebrate the Passover or the resurrection. If I do fine but if not..... I take alot of the pagan history with a grain of salt. I figure if Jesus was baptized(which has a pagan history) and the idea of salvation has a pagan history then why should I have to worry about the history of everything I do when my intentions have nothing to do with the past.

 

[Shimmie]

I know about alot of this stuff but honestly it doesn't really phase me. I don't feel I need to celebrate the Passover or the resurrection. If I do fine but if not..... I take alot of the pagan history with a grain of salt. I figure if Jesus was baptized(which has a pagan history) and the idea of salvation has a pagan history then why should I have to worry about the history of everything I do when my intentions have nothing to do with the past.

Hmmmmmmmmm, this is a big read but...................without 'history' there's no connection to the future. Where would we be without the 'history' of the cross...itsself. It all connects.

It may not phase our 'interest' but like or not, it does phase our paths. The Bible itsself is all history...yet the present and the future. Where would we be without it. The word we stand upon and believe upon.

Whether we chose to celebrate Pesach or not...is not the point I'm focused upon. But, somewhere along the lines of what Tsiporah has shared is a word...a line that we may need to break the neck of the enemy who thinks he still owns us. For those of us in ministry must be aware of something in our history to set us free. For as a 'Church' we're still not there.

This history matters...it connects...it phases our future.

 

[alexstin]

Hmmmmmmmmm, this is a big read but...................without 'history' there's no connection to the future. Where would we be without the 'history' of the cross...itsself. It all connects.

It may not phase our 'interest' but like or not, it does phase our paths. The Bible itsself is all history...yet the present and the future. Where would we be without it. The word we stand upon and believe upon.

Whether we chose to celebrate Pesach or not...is not the point I'm focused upon. But, somewhere along the lines of what Tsiporah has shared is a word...a line that we may need to break the neck of the enemy who thinks he still owns us. For those of us in ministry must be aware of something in our history to set us free. For as a 'Church' we're still not there.

This history matters...it connects...it phases our future.

No, that's not what I'm saying. I appreciate the history(it's important!) but I don't believe if someone chooses to celebrate the resurrection or Christmas then they are idol woshippers(per Tsiporah's article)

My point is Jesus engaged in Baptism and it has pagan roots. I don't think He was too concerned.

 

[Shimmie]

No, that's not what I'm saying. I appreciate the history(it's important!) but I don't believe if someone chooses to celebrate the resurrection or Christmas then they are idol woshippers (per Tsiporah's article)

My point is Jesus engaged in Baptism and it has pagan roots. I don't think He was too concerned.

Gotcha! I'm sorry. I missed that... How did I miss that?

BTW: Jesus is my Idol....

 

[alexstin]

Gotcha! I'm sorry. I missed that... How did I miss that?

BTW: Jesus is my Idol....

He's pretty cool isn't He? You probably missed it because it was Tsiporah's last post.

 

[Shimmie]

He's pretty cool isn't He? You probably missed it because it was Tsiporah's last post.

You're right. I haven't finished reading everything. I'm over on OT with the men... (The threads).

 

[live2bgr8]

Todah (Thanks) Shimmie,

There are many things that need to be cleared up. This topic (Passover amongst others) should be at the top of everyone's list--**if** they love Messiah at all. But not all are willing to challenge their own beliefs and prefer to remain on the same rung of the ladder because of comfort zones. When one begins to truthfully study this whole subject, one will begin to see that two messiahs exist. It is up to that individual to figure out, which one they uphold.

Yes, *the* Messiah was crucified in the midst of the week and rose toward the end of the 7th day, which is called Saturday, there is no Sunday resurrection(People must study the origin of this).

Remember Yahusha (who many call Jesus) is the Master of Sabbath which is the seventh day. So He rose on it. This also symbolizes when He returns in the seventh millenium. The sabbath is the 7th day rest. Which Yahusha will usher in. It is all very prophetic.

It would behoove one for those who want to continue an Easter resurrection Sunday to study from whence this originated and remember that Yahuah (the Father) HATES mixing of truth with lies. Save the but my heart is good issue, because our hearts are deceptive and the Father's Ways are superior to our own.

Easter resurrection Sunday: Does one know what they are saying??? Ishtar's Resurrection Day! This is Ishtar's celebration and the Friday death was of another diety.


People must ask their pastors and leaders these questions and why they are not telling them this information. The sad thing is, many do know of this but prefer to keep it to themselves because they have already signed away what they are to say and not to say....in other words, compromise the truth instead doing as Yahusha did and tell the truth. Many are also 501c3 which keeps the churches from telling certain things, compromising once again.

The big names of mega-church (<--circe) so-called leadership will NOT tell you the complete truth and when a half truth is told, that constitutes a lie. They are millionaire businesses whose interest is themselves, regardless of what they say and how much they apparently bless people.

Write to them about it, (I have done this.) and all you will get is a packet or mail asking for tithe and donations.

But all I am asking is that people do some praying and fasting and ask if these people are real and ask for the truth path of Yahuah's Ways. Ask for discernment.

Digressing:
Fasting and Praying will get you some answers, I am not telling one wrongly. But only those who are truly hungry will do such, the rest will just fall by the wayside and return to the ways that Yahuah does not approve of---not one bit, in this Laodicean age. It is those who are not interested, whom He will spew out of His mouth. Do we actually think all 30,000 members of Joel Osteens church is kosher? Do we actually know how many witches, mediums, and wizards reside in these places, as they get larger and larger? This is why the Scriptures speak of a remnant. Only those who are His will find His Ancient Path.

Ahmein! and Ahmein!

Tsiporah

Woah, hold up... There are wheat and weeds in every congregation. I'm sure that there are a few weeds in your assembly as well. Is there really a need to single out a congregation because it is in the public eye?

Anyway, on topic, I have this discussion every year with my Dad... Based on my study, I tend to agree with Pastor A's comments...

 

[StrawberryQueen]

No, that's not what I'm saying. I appreciate the history(it's important!) but I don't believe if someone chooses to celebrate the resurrection or Christmas then they are idol woshippers(per Tsiporah's article)

My point is Jesus engaged in Baptism and it has pagan roots. I don't think He was too concerned.

I appreciate you saying this. A lot of people expect Christians to go running away from Chrisitanity when they are told of some of the Pagan aspects/histories. All glory be to God...and it's all good!

Woah, hold up... There are wheat and weeds in every congregation. I'm sure that there are a few weeds in your assembly as well. Is there really a need to single out a congregation because it is in the public eye?

Anyway, on topic, I have this discussion every year with my Dad... Based on my study, I tend to agree with Pastor A's comments...

I feel the same way. I *kinda* like Joel Osteen, but that's beside the point. Why was he singled out? Is there a perfect congregation out there even? That kinda rubbed me the wrong way. I feel like she's trying to tell us we're wrong in what we're doing? "Mixing truth and lies?"