G Craig Lewis new blog about November Election

saved06

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As I read this, it began to make sense. Just curious on your views after reading this. I'm pretty much torn because he brought up what I've been avoiding to deal with. Link may not show but go to main website for youtube video. Please share in a mature manner:
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Monday, October 27, 2008

Vote Black?



The 2008 Hip Hop Awards came on the other day and it proved one thing to me. Some black folks will be dumb until Jesus comes back! How can anyone look at pimps, thugs, and gangsters as a good thing that needs to be celebrated? How did Hip Hop become the voice of our youth to the point that the black church is bending over backwards for it's acceptance? This is a shame. But one thing that they did on this show that really got me going was the push for a "black" vote in the election. Not knowing the issues at hand, but yet and still, they constantly pushed the young folks and HIp Hop fans to "vote black" this election.

How embarrassing! These folks undid everything that Dr. Martin Luther King dreamed of in one dumb hour! They took apart his dream and the civil rights movement by pointing to the black candidate as the mandatory vote of black people. This is sad. Martin Luther King said that he dreamed of the day when people would not be judged by the color of their skin, but the content of their character! How can you say, "vote black" and not go against that dream? Just because an african man mixed with white is running does not mean he is the right choice or the only choice for black people. We are moving to the back of the bus again and we don't even see it. As far as straight politics goes, Blacks are the only race of people that are not bipartisan. We have been conditioned to be on one side and never split our vote. Other races and ethnic groups including, hispanics, catholics, and jews put people on both sides of the ticket for leverage and a voice no matter how the pendulum swings. But blacks stay at the back of the bus and don't spread out so when we lose, we lose our voice and power. That's slave mentality.

Our freedom to vote is our right to vote that was fought for by many civil rights leaders in the past. This is the right to vote either way, republican or democrat, and most importantly, it is our right to NOT vote at all if we don't feel that either candidate deserves our support. We have corrupted the freedom of voting so much these days that people don't even know the issues at hand and they are just voting the color of their skin or what pop culture is dictating to them. I'm sorry folks, but we can't stay on this road. This is the road that leads to the accepting of the mark of the beast. This is the road that hides the truth and promotes the lie. This road will get you voting for economics rather than morality. And that's the road that will lead to the antichrist! The bible said that in the end, you will not be able to buy or sell unless you pledge your allegiance to the beast! Buy or sell? That's economics. Thats money! And if you are voting for economic reasons and not considering morality or your own convictions, then you are essentially doing exactly what the bible predicts will happen in the end. People will begin to vote in the man that will lead us to the antichrist and the end. They will vote this man in based on economic issues and popularity. He will be voted in because of the financial crisis of the government and people will not even consider his true moral ethics. Black Christian leaders have totally abandoned the bible in this election. They have chosen culture over Christ and have accepted the 3 things that the antichrist will implement in his rule. Abortion, Homosexuality, and the silencing of the truth! These things are on the table and being ignored because of the color of a man's skin?

Muhammad Ali faced the challenge of not fighting in an American war because it went against his religious convictions. He became an African American hero because of it. With that said, if you do not feel that either candidate in this race fits your conviction, then you are obligated to NOT vote at all. I know black people go crazy when you talk like this and they bring up all the slaves that died and the folks that fought for your right to vote. Yet in that same breath, they don't think of the millions that have died of AIDS through homosexual activity, the millions of lives that are not here because of abortion, nor do they consider the millions that are deceived because the church is silent on moral issues!

Sure many fought and died for the right to vote. But that fight was not just for a right to vote, but a right to chose to vote. After all, if we are forced to vote, we didn't have a right to not vote and thus we are still bound and not free. And if you don't have a choice that is comfortable or in line with your convictions, then what do you do? Pick the lesser of 2 evils? Or pick the black man because you are black? God forbid! I will not be guilty of ushering in the antichrists policies because a man is of color! I am not practicing to receive the mark of the beast. And if you are voting against your own beliefs and bible for the sake of money, color, or party biases, then you have just passed the mark of the beast test. You have just proven that socialistic reasons supersede your spiritual convictions! And this is exactly what the antichrist will do. He will exalt himself above God and make his immoral beliefs acceptable by all. And without question we see that Barack Obama has caused preachers and pastors, great and small, to follow him in spite of his antichrist morals. Abortion, homosexuality, and the silencing of the church are on his ticket and yet black church folks don't care. The very things that are killing us as a people are the very things that we are in favor of. The scariest part is that this is just rehearsal for the coming rule of the antichrist and the black church has lined up on the wrong side! I'm not saying that McCain is the answer, but I'm saying that if you are voting, your convictions as a believer in the bible should out weigh every thing else.

How did we get here? Why are we ignoring the obvious here? The money problems America is having is just a prelude to the coming of the one world government and the rule of the antichrist. That's why his policies are being tested here in America. I'm not calling Obama the antichrist, but I'm saying his policy is in line with the morality of the King of the East that will rise up and rule. Barack Obama plans to go into churches and demand that they accept the homosexual agenda. Michelle Obama even bragged at the gay and lesbian counsel of the Democratic National Convention about going into a black church and telling them to stop being homophobic and accept the gay agenda. You can hear it for yourself below.
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saved06

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Yet, the black church is so full of homosexual activity, it was a plan all along by the enemy to get these homosexual leaders of the black churches in power so that when this agenda comes through the White House, they would lead their flocks directly into it. God showed me 15 years ago that every major black pentecostal denomination would be lead by a homosexual before Jesus returns. And now, they are all in place and leading this nations black churches into the arms of the antichrist by pushing an agenda that is not of God. Barack even hired a gay pastor to travel with him and Donnie McClurkin to black churches and was welcomed with open arms. What is this? Isn't AIDS the number 1 killer of black people? Isn't abortion black genecide with 1400 performed every day in the black community? Wasn't the black church once the pillar of our community and the moral guide for our youth? Now, all of these things are being undone and reversed because of the antichrist agenda that is working behind the scenes. What a perfect setup!

Don't get me wrong. White people are as much to blame for the "vote black" mindset as blacks are. You see, if the white leaders of this nation had stood up for blacks in America and confessed their wrong treatment of us and repented openly about it, then healing could have taken place. They should have put our history in the white history books and they should have repented openly and made real atonement for the unjust treatment of our people a long time ago. You can't sweep 400 years of oppression under a rug and expect it to vanish. It's still there and it requires effort to correct more than just 1 month of the year. You see, racism is at the forefront of American politics now because it's been ignored and hidden for so many years. Don't get me wrong, I do feel that we have progressed some as a people, yet we have so many issues because we have not had proper healing from what happened to us. With that said, when the black man that was pushed to the back of the bus sees Obama, he sees justice. When the black woman that was called ****** all her young life sees Obama, she sees justice. When the preachers that saw the White churches prosper and the black churches shunned see Obama, they see justice. White people that are reading this will never understand what it feels like to be discriminated against because of color. They don't know what it feels like to be called an animal or less than human and treated like a reject! But blacks have experienced that and it's caused us to want justice on a grand scale. And to many, Barack Obama represents progress, justice, and atonement for our people.

But, if his policy and his morality does not line up with the God we serve as true believers, then is it justice or is it a setup? Those of us that have been discriminated against and treated unfairly by whites because of our race need healing. And because this nation has not offered us a just version of healing or payed us just due, we are still hurting as a race of people. But isn't that what Jesus is all about? Wasn't he the savior of Israel when they were in bondage? Didn't he show himself mighty in their time of turmoil and unjust treatment? Isn't that when the power of God comes into play? Don't miss it people of God. Jesus, not Obama, is the real answer here and we must push him instead of a political system! We must stand on the word of God and not waver in this coming election. If you cast your vote for a man that is for the agenda of the antichrist, you have just passed the mark of the beast test and proven that you will accept the mark, even if it goes against your convictions as a believer and your bible that you read. Come on saints of God, stand up. Don't let anyone sway you here. It's late in the hour and Jesus is taking notes on where you stand. Your vote is your stand. And it would be better to not vote at all than to cast a vote for the very agenda that the antichrist will promote.

Rev. 2:29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Rev. 3:6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Rev. 3:13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Rev. 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Looking for the rapture,
G. Craige Lewis
 

momi

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A resounding AMEN!

I am not sure how I feel about not voting at all though...
 

saved06

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Finally a brave soul lol. Yes, as much as I want to see Obama in, I'm asking myself am I looking at this through emotion or through the spirit. Satan does know how to play on emotions. My voters registration card got lost, so that slowed me down from voting, I'm going to continue to pray. I sure don't want Mccain. But then again, I think as far as the end time certain things have to happen, and there really isn't anything we can change because it was already written ya know. All we are responsible for as Christians is to recognize this time, preach the gospel, and not get caught up in worldly things while sustaining our faith and hope in Christ.
 

chrstndiva

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First, I am an informed voter and have voted in every presidential election I was eligible for since I was 18. I don't think I have ever 100% agreed with any candidate I have ever voted for in my life.

However, for me it is not acceptable to choose not to vote because I don't really like either candidate. That is the irresponsible act of someone who wants to dump the responsibility of choosing our leadership onto others. I wouldn't allow someone else to choose my church or my pastor for me and I will not allow someone else choose my country/state/local leadership for me. I think that is an irresponsible and ignorant suggestion.

This kind of rhetoric disturbs me greatly. I don't see what's different from his tone and some sections of the right wing fundamentalist evangelicals who still believe African Americans are cursed descendents of Ham.

IMO, none of it is representative of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
 

Highly Favored8

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Finally a brave soul lol. Yes, as much as I want to see Obama in, I'm asking myself am I looking at this through emotion or through the spirit. Satan does know how to play on emotions. My voters registration card got lost, so that slowed me down from voting, I'm going to continue to pray. I sure don't want Mccain. But then again, I think as far as the end time certain things have to happen, and there really isn't anything we can change because it was already written ya know. All we are responsible for as Christians is to recognize this time, preach the gospel, and not get caught up in worldly things while sustaining our faith and hope in Christ.


People are praying and fasting for this election and I will say this It is in the Hands of the Lord who will win this election Mr. Lewis makes valid points either way. I do not want to see Mcshame in either. However, I am not going to say who will win all I will say is that God knows who will be the next President and that is where I stand. If the world was to end now. I am going in peace b/c I am going Back to my Father in Heaven! I am doing a fast on the day of 11-4-08. So, all I will say is God knows who will win the election on this day. It has already been written. people say Vote Obama, but will they really. This country needs a Change yes, this is a Christian Forum and McShame will not do it He does not care about the common man you/me and others. Obama will get us to change though the fastest. I have to keep this in a Spritual Prospective intresting post over-all I read it earlier. They are other women of Faith who feel very opposite of Mr.Lewis.
 

Highly Favored8

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First, I am an informed voter and have voted in every presidential election I was eligible for since I was 18. I don't think I have ever 100% agreed with any candidate I have ever voted for in my life.

However, for me it is not acceptable to choose not to vote because I don't really like either candidate. That is the irresponsible act of someone who wants to dump the responsibility of choosing our leadership onto others. I wouldn't allow someone else to choose my church or my pastor for me and I will not allow someone else choose my country/state/local leadership for me. I think that is an irresponsible and ignorant suggestion.

This kind of rhetoric disturbs me greatly. I don't see what's different from his tone and some sections of the right wing fundamentalist evangelicals who still believe African Americans are cursed descendents of Ham.

IMO, none of it is representative of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.


So on point!
 

momi

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First, I am an informed voter and have voted in every presidential election I was eligible for since I was 18. I don't think I have ever 100% agreed with any candidate I have ever voted for in my life.

However, for me it is not acceptable to choose not to vote because I don't really like either candidate. That is the irresponsible act of someone who wants to dump the responsibility of choosing our leadership onto others. I wouldn't allow someone else to choose my church or my pastor for me and I will not allow someone else choose my country/state/local leadership for me. I think that is an irresponsible and ignorant suggestion.

This kind of rhetoric disturbs me greatly. I don't see what's different from his tone and some sections of the right wing fundamentalist evangelicals who still believe African Americans are cursed descendents of Ham.

IMO, none of it is representative of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.


Are you saying you believe he is a rascist? (referring to the bolded)

Also, what did he say that made you feel he is not representative of Jesus Christ? IMO, Jesus was pretty radical...
 

saved06

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Thank you for your comments. I know, I've heard other prophets say that who ever is in office will not be saved but God is going to change their heart. I'm praying if this prophecy is true God will change Obama's heart lol :grin:...Palin is a big joke. So I'm seeing we really won't know the deal until we are in it. But I do know C Lewis has always been on point with stuff even years ago.
 

saved06

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First, I am an informed voter and have voted in every presidential election I was eligible for since I was 18. I don't think I have ever 100% agreed with any candidate I have ever voted for in my life.

However, for me it is not acceptable to choose not to vote because I don't really like either candidate. That is the irresponsible act of someone who wants to dump the responsibility of choosing our leadership onto others. I wouldn't allow someone else to choose my church or my pastor for me and I will not allow someone else choose my country/state/local leadership for me. I think that is an irresponsible and ignorant suggestion.

This kind of rhetoric disturbs me greatly. I don't see what's different from his tone and some sections of the right wing fundamentalist evangelicals who still believe African Americans are cursed descendents of Ham.

IMO, none of it is representative of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

I guess it would be too much to get into the Electoral College? Lol:grin:
 

momi

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People are praying and fasting for this election and I will say this It is in the Hands of the Lord who will win this election Mr. Lewis makes valid points either way. I do not want to see Mcshame in either. However, I am not going to say who will win all I will say is that God knows who will be the next President and that is where I stand. If the world was to end now. I am going in peace b/c I am going Back to my Father in Heaven! I am doing a fast on the day of 11-4-08. So, all I will say is God knows who will win the election on this day. It has already been written. people say Vote Obama, but will they really. This country needs a Change yes, this is a Christian Forum and McShame will not do it He does not care about the common man you/me and others. Obama will get us to change though the fastest. I have to keep this in a Spritual Prospective intresting post over-all I read it earlier. They are other women of Faith who feel very opposite of Mr.Lewis.

This is what worries me... just what type of change.

To be honest, I have not decided how I am going to vote. As a black woman, I am truly proud of what he has been able to accomplish. It is nice to see a black man with a strong family in the media which is opposite of what is generally shown... however based on his voting record I cannot vote for him.

I have done enough wrong in my past - I dont need the blood of innocent babies on my hands.

Did you know that he voted against the born alive victims act? This bill allows babies who are born from botched abortions to receive medical care. This troubles me... we need change, but I wonder if it is his type of change that we need?

Crucify me - I don't care.

It is neither safe nor wise to do anything against conscience. Here I stand I can do no other. God help me. Amen ( Martin Luther)
 

saved06

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This is what worries me... just what type of change.

To be honest, I have not decided how I am going to vote. As a black woman, I am truly proud of what he has been able to accomplish. It is nice to see a black man with a strong family in the media which is opposite of what is generally shown... however based on his voting record I cannot vote for him.

I have done enough wrong in my past - I dont need the blood of innocent babies on my hands.

Did you know that he voted against the born alive victims act? This bill allows babies who are born from botched abortions to receive medical care. This troubles me... we need change, but I wonder if it is his type of change that we need?

Crucify me - I don't care.

It is neither safe nor wise to do anything against conscience. Here I stand I can do no other. God help me. Amen ( Martin Luther)

Girl speak out! Many people aren't speaking due to popularity. And alot of us need to see this kind of perspective. I'm really gonna seek God on what to do.
 

chrstndiva

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Are you saying you believe he is a rascist? (referring to the bolded)

Also, what did he say that made you feel he is not representative of Jesus Christ? IMO, Jesus was pretty radical...

I am saying that what he is preaching is not love. Jesus did everything out of love.
"For God so LOVED the world, that He gave His only begotten son..." John 3:16

Jesus said this to the disciples before he left this earth.
" 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[a] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[b] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." Matthew 22:37-40

Also, how does the world know that we are His disciples.
35 Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples.” John 13:35

I am so tired of the message of Jesus Christ getting lost in sanctimonious, holier than thou, people who want to enforce and legislate morality instead of following the master's example by showing love and encouraging them on the right path. Yes, there is a time to turn over tables in the temple, but it must be motivated by love for God or love for your neighbor and not self-righteousness. I didn't see either in that blog, IMO.
 

chrstndiva

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This is what worries me... just what type of change.

To be honest, I have not decided how I am going to vote. As a black woman, I am truly proud of what he has been able to accomplish. It is nice to see a black man with a strong family in the media which is opposite of what is generally shown... however based on his voting record I cannot vote for him.

I have done enough wrong in my past - I dont need the blood of innocent babies on my hands.

Did you know that he voted against the born alive victims act? This bill allows babies who are born from botched abortions to receive medical care. This troubles me... we need change, but I wonder if it is his type of change that we need?

Crucify me - I don't care.

It is neither safe nor wise to do anything against conscience. Here I stand I can do no other. God help me. Amen ( Martin Luther)

The important thing is that you vote, wherever your consicence leads you.
 

saved06

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I am saying that what he is preaching is not love. Jesus did everything out of love.
"For God so LOVED the world, that He gave His only begotten son..." John 3:16

Jesus said this to the disciples before he left this earth.
" 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[a] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[b] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." Matthew 22:37-40

Also, how does the world know that we are His disciples.
35 Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples.” John 13:35

I am so tired of the message of Jesus Christ getting lost in sanctimonious, holier than thou, people who want to enforce and legislate morality instead of following the master's example by showing love and encouraging them on the right path. Yes, there is a time to turn over tables in the temple, but it must be motivated by love for God or love for your neighbor and not self-righteousness. I didn't see either in that blog, IMO.

Lol I have to disagree....people say things are not done in love because everyone wants delievery to be sugar coated. You should read Revelations lol. Where is the truth? I'm tired of these Joel Osteen feel good message. Give me the whole word of God. As soon as someone speaks the truth they have to be "judging" or "not doing it in love." No one like correction or discipline.
If anything I would admire someone more who wants me to see the truth and not be deceived than someone who wants me to feel good for that moment. It's not being Holier than thou it's living by the truth.
 

saved06

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One could only hope. :grin:

Then that goes against your statement. People don't know but the electoral college is above your vote. So all those times you voted you really didn't have control. But the government wants it to seem as if you do. We don't have a direct election. If we did, why do we have the electoral college?
 

momi

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I am saying that what he is preaching is not love. Jesus did everything out of love.
"For God so LOVED the world, that He gave His only begotten son..." John 3:16

Jesus said this to the disciples before he left this earth.
" 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[a] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[b] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." Matthew 22:37-40

Also, how does the world know that we are His disciples.
35 Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples.” John 13:35

I am so tired of the message of Jesus Christ getting lost in sanctimonious, holier than thou, people who want to enforce and legislate morality instead of following the master's example by showing love and encouraging them on the right path. Yes, there is a time to turn over tables in the temple, but it must be motivated by love for God or love for your neighbor and not self-righteousness. I didn't see either in that blog, IMO.


I really do see your point, and we are to love however pasages like

"Repent or perish" Luke 13

"Entering in through the narrow gate" Luke 13

"you will be hated by all" Luke 21

What do you do with these scriptures?

Also, it seems like Jesus really had a disdain for the Pharassies and priests who were teaching holiness and living a life that was totally opposite of it. I am not trying to say I have it all figured out either...I am still watching and praying and trying to hear The Lord's voice on how this all is supposed to work in my life. All I know is we need a revival and it has to start with the church.
 

Akemi

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Finally a brave soul lol. Yes, as much as I want to see Obama in, I'm asking myself am I looking at this through emotion or through the spirit. Satan does know how to play on emotions. My voters registration card got lost, so that slowed me down from voting, I'm going to continue to pray. I sure don't want Mccain. But then again, I think as far as the end time certain things have to happen, and there really isn't anything we can change because it was already written ya know. All we are responsible for as Christians is to recognize this time, preach the gospel, and not get caught up in worldly things while sustaining our faith and hope in Christ.

:yep: I agree.
 

momi

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Lol I have to disagree....people say things are not done in love because everyone wants delievery to be sugar coated. You should read Revelations lol. Where is the truth? I'm tired of these Joel Osteen feel good message. Give me the whole word of God. As soon as someone speaks the truth they have to be "judging" or "not doing it in love." No one like correction or discipline.
If anything I would admire someone more who wants me to see the truth and not be deceived than someone who wants me to feel good for that moment. It's not being Holier than thou it's living by the truth.

Amen. This is the truth, we have exchanged the truth of God for a lie.

Lord help us (me too)...
 

chrstndiva

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Lol I have to disagree....people say things are not done in love because everyone wants delievery to be sugar coated. You should read Revelations lol. Where is the truth? I'm tired of these Joel Osteen feel good message. Give me the whole word of God. As soon as someone speaks the truth they have to be "judging" or "not doing it in love." No one like correction or discipline.
If anything I would admire someone more who wants me to see the truth and not be deceived than someone who wants me to feel good for that moment. It's not being Holier than thou it's living by the truth.

Who said anything about Joel Osteen or sugar coating? Why does being loving have to imply sugar coating and fluff? Jesus always spoke the truth in love. He corrected His disciples in love. One of the fruits of the spirit is discipline. These are not bad things, but you automatically assumed since the word love was used that these things would go out the window. What do you think the bible is? It's a love letter to God's people and yes, that includes Revelations (which I have read) and James (if you really want some correction).

Love is not about feeling good. In this society, we have such a messed up view of what love is, maybe that's why even Christians don't know how to be loving while expounding the gospel of truth.

I Corinthians 13:1 "If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal."

As for me, I would rather speak in love and truth so I can be an effective voice in the ministry to further God's kingdom. But that's just me.
 

chrstndiva

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Then that goes against your statement. People don't know but the electoral college is above your vote. So all those times you voted you really didn't have control. But the government wants it to seem as if you do. We don't have a direct election. If we did, why do we have the electoral college?

I was aware of that, but thanks for the civic lesson. :grin: Historically, the electoral college has sided with the voice of the people.

Voting is about being heard. Voting is about taking a stand and letting your positions be known and taking part in the electoral process. It's about being an American and taking pride that we have the freedom to voice our opinions both vocally and at the polls. I don't take it lightly and I don't take it for granted when today in 2008, in other countries people are intimidated at the polls and forced to vote for candidates because there are serious retributions if they don't. I try not to take my blessings for granted so I will take advantage of my blessing and I will vote. Again, that's just me.
 

chrstndiva

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I really do see your point, and we are to love however pasages like

"Repent or perish" Luke 13

"Entering in through the narrow gate" Luke 13

"you will be hated by all" Luke 21

What do you do with these scriptures?

You accept them and pray for insight and revelation so you can live it out in your Christian walk.

Also, it seems like Jesus really had a disdain for the Pharassies and priests who were teaching holiness and living a life that was totally opposite of it. I am not trying to say I have it all figured out either...I am still watching and praying and trying to hear The Lord's voice on how this all is supposed to work in my life. All I know is we need a revival and it has to start with the church.

I don't believe that Jesus had disdain for anyone. I am sure He was annoyed, disappointed and frustrated, but not having disdain. I don't believe that is the character of God.

Also, you say that a revival has to start with the church. Who is the church? The church is anyone who calls themselves a Christian and claims Jesus as their Lord and Savior. I assume that includes you as well.
 

momi

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I don't believe that Jesus had disdain for anyone. I am sure He was annoyed, disappointed and frustrated, but not having disdain. I don't believe that is the character of God.

Also, you say that a revival has to start with the church. Who is the church? The church is anyone who calls themselves a Christian and claims Jesus as their Lord and Savior. I assume that includes you as well.

Duly noted. Maybe disdain was not the correct word choice - but he seemed be have must less tolerance for the Jewish leaders who were not living what they were teaching.

Concerning your comment about the church - maybe you should revisit my post.
 

chrstndiva

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Duly noted. Maybe disdain was not the correct word choice - but he seemed be have must less tolerance for the Jewish leaders who were not living what they were teaching.

Concerning your comment about the church - maybe you should revisit my post.


I apologize, but I did revisit your post and I am not sure what you are implying. I'm afraid you will have to elaborate and be explicit with me.
 

saved06

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I was aware of that, but thanks for the civic lesson. :grin: Historically, the electoral college has sided with the voice of the people.

Voting is about being heard. Voting is about taking a stand and letting your positions be known and taking part in the electoral process. It's about being an American and taking pride that we have the freedom to voice our opinions both vocally and at the polls. I don't take it lightly and I don't take it for granted when today in 2008, in other countries people are intimidated at the polls and forced to vote for candidates because there are serious retributions if they don't. I try not to take my blessings for granted so I will take advantage of my blessing and I will vote. Again, that's just me.

I respect your opinion and thank you for your comments. Voting is more symbolic like you said. But I was referring to your comment that "you just don't want anyone to decide for you who your leaders should be." Just to remind you that the electoral college will have the final say as we seen in prior elections.
 

saved06

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Who said anything about Joel Osteen or sugar coating? Why does being loving have to imply sugar coating and fluff? Jesus always spoke the truth in love. He corrected His disciples in love. One of the fruits of the spirit is discipline. These are not bad things, but you automatically assumed since the word love was used that these things would go out the window. What do you think the bible is? It's a love letter to God's people and yes, that includes Revelations (which I have read) and James (if you really want some correction).

Love is not about feeling good. In this society, we have such a messed up view of what love is, maybe that's why even Christians don't know how to be loving while expounding the gospel of truth.

I Corinthians 13:1 "If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal."

As for me, I would rather speak in love and truth so I can be an effective voice in the ministry to further God's kingdom. But that's just me.

I'm confused on your stance on love. It seems like your version of love is to tell everyone what they want to hear type love, and we don't wanna hurt anyone's feelings by giving them the truth lol. Let's remember hell is real. The truth = love. I'm not sure on how you see G Lewis not showing love through the message he put out. I'm concerned about the state of the Church.
 

chrstndiva

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I'm confused on your stance on love. It seems like your version of love is to tell everyone what they want to hear type love, and we don't wanna hurt anyone's feelings by giving them the truth lol. Let's remember hell is real. The truth = love. I'm not sure on how you see G Lewis not showing love through the message he put out. I'm concerned about the state of the Church.

I'm not sure what you are confused about. I thought I made it clear that is not what I am saying. Again, not sure where you are getting that I am saying that love is telling people what they want to hear. When you speak the truth in love, your motivation is to help, not hurt. It is to correct and set on the right path. Let me make it very plain.

Correction is a way of showing love, if it is motivated by love. I can tell my sister that the way she is living her life is not pleasing to God and that it will only bring her more pain and chaos. I can tell her that she is on a destructive path and that if she continues to sow destruction, she will reap destruction. I can tell her that God is waiting for her to turn to Him and will gladly accept her just as she is and He will make her life brand new. I can tell her that I love her enough to tell this to her because I want better for her and God desires for her to be the woman he created her to be. It's called compassion, a trait that Jesus had in abundance.

Or I can say, she is living a sinful life and will burn in hell if she doesn't repent for her wicked ways.

The former is truth in love providing correction, the latter is condemnation.

I strongly suggest you read the epistles of Paul, the letters that he wrote to the churches. He clearly stated that he loved them and wanted them to be the people of God that would please the Lord, but he did not spare their feelings or mince words. They are very good examples of truth in love.

I guess I just didn't see the love part of his blog. All I saw was condemnation.
 

chrstndiva

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I respect your opinion and thank you for your comments. Voting is more symbolic like you said. But I was referring to your comment that "you just don't want anyone to decide for you who your leaders should be." Just to remind you that the electoral college will have the final say as we seen in prior elections.

I did NOT say voting is more symbolic and am NOT spreading that at all. I was saying that voting was more than just going to the polls and more than the electoral college. You misinterpreted and assumed things not in evidence.

We will have to agree to disagree on this matter. I must be a purist about the language on this matter, and I cannot accept your position, but I thank you for the engaging discussion. :grin:
 

saved06

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I did NOT say voting is more symbolic and am NOT spreading that at all. I was saying that voting was more than just going to the polls and more than the electoral college. You misinterpreted and assumed things not in evidence.

We will have to agree to disagree on this matter. I must be a purist about the language on this matter, and I cannot accept your position, but I thank you for the engaging discussion. :grin:

Thanks. I want everyone else to get involved in the discussion. :grin:
 
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