Keratin Treatment Support Thread

[me-T]

1st marcia chocolate impression-not all that. but i think it may be user error.
i purposely used too much-as i always do- but that doesn't seem like a good idea with this brand. my hair is so weighed down and greasy-feeling. my results are actually like a flat iron job on moisturized and sealed hair.

and since i bkt only about 2 weeks ago, i only did 2 passes since i was worried about heat damage. i know that might have an effect on why it's not as straight as my usual qod applications, but with marcy supposedly being the most straightening one, i was let down.

on a good note, i didn't have any reversion this morning at the roots like i do with qod. it actually looked better. still weighed down and greasy though. i gave it another shot of the blow dryer to kinda help with the straightness.

there were fumes, which i never had with either qod or dh. not crazy smoky or anything, but i did have to go get a fan to help push them out of the window.

so yeah, we'll see what happens on the first wash. i've learned what i needed to for the next app.

1st pic-i was getting ready to apply some marcy to this piece, and i was like "eww, look at the difference in thickness!" sometimes i wanna chop that relaxed mess off!
2nd-noticing how straight the roots are with only 1 or 2 layers compared to the rest of my 8 layers-of-bkt hair
3rd-how it came out. can you tell it's not all that smooth? you can kinda see the blow dry results too

 

[hairdrama:{]

Hello Ladies,

I started a thread to get some advice about BKT. Someone suggested to post it in here as well, hopefully with your help I can get things sorted out. Please come here and shed some light

Ok, so there are 101 threads about BKT . I’ve read a lot, but don’t see consensus as for which one is the best. Of course everyone’s hair is different and what works for one doesn’t work for others, but I just need to narrow my choices to then do further research.

So down to the facts, this is my mom’s hair:

I wan to introduce her to the BKT world . I think she’ll truly benefit from it but I need your advice to make the right decision. So, a little overview:

• She is a 3c/4a medium density, Telaxed.
• She telaxes about 2x a year, probably every six months but really it’s not set on stone, she can go longer or shorter. She uses a Dark & Lovely relaxer.
• She colors often, permanent, Textures & Tones or Dark & Lovely, she doesn’t really have a preference.
• She washes her hair & rollersets faithfully once a week. She wears her hair straight 100% of the time, either loose or on a ponytail.

I need to know:

1. Which BTK do you recommend? Could you please elaborate on that?
2. Considering her hair texture, what would the outcome be (somewhat straight, looser curl, etc)?
3. Should I be concern about her hair color for this treatment?
4. Where can I find the product for home application? (I want to do it for her)
5. Any other concerns and/or recommendations?

I appreciate your replies ladies.

 

[me-T]

i'll try to answer as best as i can
1-if she likes straightness, she could go with qod gold or marcia teixeira (i've tried these)
2- considering her texture? umm... i'd guess tight waves? i have 4a/b and after 7 apps, i'm still not out of the type 4 zone, so really idk
3- with color, the bkt will take better since her hair is more porous
4-ebay! do it with bing for cash back!
5-she might not have to texlax anymore. matter of fact, to answer #2, whatever texture she gets texlaxing, is what she'll probably end up with. and she can overlap her treatments without letting them wear off to eventually get straight hair(but still have body)
hth!

 

[hairdrama:{]

i'll try to answer as best as i can
1-if she likes straightness, she could go with qod gold or marcia teixeira (i've tried these)
2- considering her texture? umm... i'd guess tight waves? i have 4a/b and after 7 apps, i'm still not out of the type 4 zone, so really idk
3- with color, the bkt will take better since her hair is more porous
4-ebay! do it with bing for cash back!
5-she might not have to texlax anymore. matter of fact, to answer #2, whatever texture she gets texlaxing, is what she'll probably end up with. and she can overlap her treatments without letting them wear off to eventually get straight hair(but still have body)
hth!

Thanks Awesome! Yes, the idea if for her not to telax anymore

 

[loveisnthehouse]

1st marcia chocolate impression-not all that. but i think it may be user error.
i purposely used too much-as i always do- but that doesn't seem like a good idea with this brand. my hair is so weighed down and greasy-feeling. my results are actually like a flat iron job on moisturized and sealed hair.

and since i bkt only about 2 weeks ago, i only did 2 passes since i was worried about heat damage. i know that might have an effect on why it's not as straight as my usual qod applications, but with marcy supposedly being the most straightening one, i was let down.

on a good note, i didn't have any reversion this morning at the roots like i do with qod. it actually looked better. still weighed down and greasy though. i gave it another shot of the blow dryer to kinda help with the straightness.

there were fumes, which i never had with either qod or dh. not crazy smoky or anything, but i did have to go get a fan to help push them out of the window.

so yeah, we'll see what happens on the first wash. i've learned what i needed to for the next app.

1st pic-i was getting ready to apply some marcy to this piece, and i was like "eww, look at the difference in thickness!" sometimes i wanna chop that relaxed mess off!
2nd-noticing how straight the roots are with only 1 or 2 layers compared to the rest of my 8 layers-of-bkt hair
3rd-how it came out. can you tell it's not all that smooth? you can kinda see the blow dry results too

I'm looking forward to hearing how your hair turns out with the wash.

 

[hairdrama:{]

bump..........bump..........bump..........

 

[chocolatina]

Hairdrama, your hair is gorgeous. Its making me miss my long hair. I got sick of the slow grow-out process and finally decided to chop it off just to get the rest of the relaxer out. I've got an asymmetrical bob now with highlights and its all natural. I actually love it for the summer but I'll be growing it long again starting in the fall.

Me-T, what's the formaldehyde content in MT versus QOD versus Global? I know Global comes in free, 2%, and 4% but not sure about the other two. Anyone can answer actually. Thanks.

 

[me-T]

i don't know global, i think qod gold is 2%, and mt chocolate... i'm gonna guess 4% 'cause of the fumes.

 

[AtlantaJJ]

Ladies should I get the BKT tape for my flat iron? What's your experience with the tape? I plan to get a better flat iron at some point but in the meantime I would like to know if the tape is worth a try.

 

[BlackHairDiva]

Info from an email I received:

• Global keratin 4% is effective on 4a/4b hair.
• Marcia Teixeira Chocolate is effective on 4a/4b hair.
• Marcia Teixeira Advanced Treatment is a 24 hour formula and has the greatest straightening ability of the 3 formulas I have available. It also has the shortest duration of effectiveness.

Ok, I'm planning to switch to Marcia T. and I have 4a/4B hair. The last time I got a relaxer was November 2008. So Based on what is stated above I should go with the chocolate.

I'm curious does anyone know how long does the Marcia T treatment last? Does it last like a month or something???

If so I have no issue doing this every month.

 

[Dak]

Stay away from Dream Hair

Thought I'd give a heads up to anyone considering using Dream Hair. Don't. I've had some much breakage from using it, never again. I've used QOD & Softless, much better. My next BKT will be with QOD.

 

[Moniquenuss]

Re: Stay away from Dream Hair

Thought I'd give a heads up to anyone considering using Dream Hair. Don't. I've had some much breakage from using it, never again. I've used QOD & Softless, much better. My next BKT will be with QOD.

Same here!!! My hair hated it! It wore off after a few washes and left me with a lot of tangles. I'm a transitioning 4a and my hair loves the global 4% in chocolate. I want to try the mt. I guess that will he next.

 

[MarieB]

Ok, I'm planning to switch to Marcia T. and I have 4a/4B hair. The last time I got a relaxer was November 2008. So Based on what is stated above I should go with the chocolate.

I'm curious does anyone know how long does the Marcia T treatment last? Does it last like a month or something???

If so I have no issue doing this every month.

My first treatment (Marcia T chocolate) lasted about 2 months before I noticed it starting to wear off. I'm about a 2C/3A, and hardly any "permanent straightener" lasts that long on my hair. HTH.

 

[me-T]

marcia t only lasts 2 months?? so that would mean marcia advanced wears off sooner?
i might go back to qod after this bottle. i was hoping with marcia i could overlap every 2 months since it supposedly gets the hair straighter. i'm doing monthly right now to hurry and get to the point of straight out the shower-ness

 

[naturalmanenyc]

I've only used Lasio One Day BKT and Rejuvenol BKT. I have not tried any others, although I have Marcia T Chocolate BKT which I will use for my next treatment.

Oh and natural mane, I'm also waiting on the answers to Me-T's questions re: effectiveness (I think you mean how long it lasts) and ur opinion on global vs quad gold.

I have 4b all natural so I'm trying to decide on one of these today! Lol.

 

[Dove56]

Re: Stay away from Dream Hair

Thought I'd give a heads up to anyone considering using Dream Hair. Don't. I've had some much breakage from using it, never again. I've used QOD & Softless, much better. My next BKT will be with QOD.

Mine too. I love QOD Max!!!

 

[Dak]

Last night ordered 4 ounces of QOD off of ebay, from the seller KeratinToday. This morning I got a shipping notification.

 

[MarieB]

marcia t only lasts 2 months?? so that would mean marcia advanced wears off sooner?
i might go back to qod after this bottle. i was hoping with marcia i could overlap every 2 months since it supposedly gets the hair straighter. i'm doing monthly right now to hurry and get to the point of straight out the shower-ness

I was swimming a lot, so that didn't help; I probably could have made it 3 months if I'd stayed out of the pool.

 

[me-T]

did my wash a couple of hours ago. doesn't seem to be much of a difference compared to qod. after this bottle is up, if i don't see it's advantages, i'm going back to fume-less, cheaper, easier to find qod gold
oh i did have some reversion before the wash.

 

[foxee]

Encanto ladies, how is your hair holding up? It's been 7 weeks since my treatment and I'm very pleased. Now I do not wear my hair straight very often and lately I'm pulling it back into a puff - but Encanto is doing what I needed it to do. I don't have any single strand knots and it loosened my texture a little bit. I'm thinking about reapplying mid to end of July.

 

[jayjaycurlz]

I've also liked the results of Encanto but the fumes were killing me! It lays down my mg (44 weeks post) like nobody's business and my WnG's are fluffy, curly and frizz-free but I can't take the fumes!

Dove56 - does QOD Max have killer fumes?

 

[Amerie123]

where do you guys buy your softliss from?? and where do you guys buy your global from? TIA.. I have some DH coming any day now, but just for future references in case i don't like it, i was wondering where y'all bought them from.. most places won't let you purchase unless you have a license.

 

[Dove56]

I've also liked the results of Encanto but the fumes were killing me! It lays down my mg (44 weeks post) like nobody's business and my WnG's are fluffy, curly and frizz-free but I can't take the fumes!

Dove56 - does QOD Max have killer fumes?

Only if you use too much, I did that once...NOT good...lol. The last couple of times I used it I didn't smell anything. QOD is only 0.02% formeldahyde.

 

[Wildkat08]

Big question for u BKT experts, but let me give u some background info:

I'm a 100% natural fine haired 3Ber seriously considering BKTing. The salon I go to offers Marcia T, but after researching it on this thread I decided not to go with it b/c I want to keep some of my curl pattern, however a loosened curl pattern is fine, if not welcomed. So I was thinking I should go with Peter Coppola. But then it came to me... when I used to get relaxers I NEVER lost my curl pattern! I could leave the salon on relax day with my hair in a wash n go style. All relaxers ever really did for me was make styling quicker, more managable and make my hair less likely to revert, but my hair always stayed curly. With all that said... do u ladies think I would lose my curl pattern with the Marcia T b/c something in the Keratin is "stronger" than something in relaxers (sounds crazy, I know) or do u think Marcia T might give me the best bang for my buck considering that I'm unlikely to lose my curls, b/c a relaxer didnt, well... relax them? Sorry to be so long winded, just could really use u ladies help in figuring this one out.

 

[naturalmanenyc]

There are two versions of Marcia T BKT, Chocolate and Advanced. The Advanced formula is a 1 day wash out while the chocolate takes 3 - 4 days to cure.

Info from an email I received:

• Marcia Teixeira Chocolate is effective on 4a/4b hair.
• Marcia Teixeira Advanced Treatment is a 24 hour formula and has the greatest straightening ability of the 3 formulas I have available. It also has the shortest duration of effectiveness.

 

[Amerie123]

where do you guys buy your softliss from?? and where do you guys buy your global from? TIA.. I have some DH coming any day now, but just for future references in case i don't like it, i was wondering where y'all bought them from.. most places won't let you purchase unless you have a license.

bumping for my question.....

 

[MarieB]

bumping for my question.....

http://www.softliss.com/ingles/chocolate.html, but I bought my Global and DH from LHCF members. Check the Product Exchange board. Also, I think a lot of people are buying from sellers on e-bay. I'm sure a few will chime in once the holiday weekend is over. HTH.

 

[loveisnthehouse]

Just popping in to see if anyone has found where to get marcia t advanced for less than $100...

 

[AtlantaJJ]

Hello Ladies,

I started a thread to get some advice about BKT. Someone suggested to post it in here as well, hopefully with your help I can get things sorted out. Please come here and shed some light

Your mom's hair is beautiful, but the color is really light. I would research BKT and light color because I have read that it can change the color a great deal.

There is a BKT made for blonde hair, I can't remember which brand it is however.

ETA: Coppola Keratin Complex Natural Keratin Smoothing Treatment Blonde Hair

 

[AtlantaJJ]

I received my Marcia Teixeira for about 2 weeks now, but I still haven't slowed down long enough to use it!! I've been working out and lacefronting it for a while now. The great news is that my hair is growing like weeds!!! I'm amazed at how much growth I've gained since I've changed my diet and have been working out 5 days per week.

I'm going to have to do my BKT sometime in the next two weeks because my trip to Los Angeles is rapidly approaching! I'm not wearing my hair out while I'm there, I want to do the MT for its conditioning / manageability effects. I am going to color my grays this week and then give it a good week before I do the BKT.