There is no struggle olympics of who is more marginalized than who referenced in that quote. There are lots of loud and wrong antisemetic liars who say that Israeli women were not raped and Israeli babies weren't murdered on October 7, 2023 which is directly related to what is going on now.
Einav Avisemer's written commentary is her opinion, but the videos on her page that I posted show what's happening on the ground in affected areas. The Israeli influencer as you call her didn't make that Palestinian woman cry on command then have the whole crowd start ki-ki'ing when they thought all the cameras were off.
You do know that the Gaza Strip was under Egyptian military rule from 1949 to 1967, right? When Egypt took Gaza their answer to the people they displaced was "Go to Jordan if you don't like it".
On one side of the Israeli Gaza war is Hezbollah which still practices slavery in 2024 fighting on behalf of Palestinians who as recently as 2023 segregated black people in a place that lovingly translates to slave town. Black peoples concern for people who would literally put all of us on a sand plantation is weird.
I have not implied anything of the sort. I have outright said that if in 2023 somebody comes through raping, murdering, and kidnapping then the people who got their lick in don't get to complain about the repercussions of them attacking.
in mind including the U.S. but yes I did put a fresh cape on for it after 9/11 and would again if somebody attacked the soil I live on.
Everyone frequently posting in this thread has already made up their mind about where they stand on the issue. There is no fair and balanced counterpoint to Palestinians engaging in an all-or-nothing campaign.
That’s not even close to what people are insinuating here. You can check my post history, I have always been very centered while slightly leaning towards either end depending on what I knew at a given time. My knowledge about this conflict was much more superficial than it is now which is why I have been posting what I have as of late.
Well I respect where you stand and I disagree. I didn’t make up my mind, I look at the facts and adjust my stance accordingly. Where I draw the line no matter who’s right or wrong is killing of children/civilians indiscriminately. It’s wrong to me no matter what race or ethnicity they belong to.
When I mentioned perfect victims, i meant that if one needs to look for dirt to not objectively acknowledge someone’s humanity they will find it.Einav Avisemer's written commentary is her opinion, but the videos on her page that I posted show what's happening on the ground in affected areas. The Israeli influencer as you call her didn't make that Palestinian woman cry on command then have the whole crowd start ki-ki'ing when they thought all the cameras were off.
You do know that the Gaza Strip was under Egyptian military rule from 1949 to 1967, right? When Egypt took Gaza their answer to the people they displaced was "Go to Jordan if you don't like it".
On one side of the Israeli Gaza war is Hezbollah which still practices slavery in 2024 fighting on behalf of Palestinians who as recently as 2023 segregated black people in a place that lovingly translates to slave town. Black peoples concern for people who would literally put all of us on a sand plantation is weird.
I have not implied anything of the sort. I have outright said that if in 2023 somebody comes through raping, murdering, and kidnapping then the people who got their lick in don't get to complain about the repercussions of them attacking.
Why do I cape for Israel? I'm a citizen. I have lived in Israel. I own property in Israel. I have friends and family in Israel. I know one person who was murdered at teh festival on October 7th and another who is still a hostage. My husband was in Israel when the attack happened and as an IDF reservist was on active wartime duty until last month. I am deeply invested in Israel, so my cape will stay flying in the wind for it.
No country in the world was founded with my black
The majority of Jews living in Israel are Sephardic/Mizrahi. Ashkenazi Jews being the loudest doesn't mean they are centered.
The people who call themselves Palestinians are not any kind of victims. Whatever land they think was theirs was lost in 1516 when the Ottoman Empire took control until 1918 when the British came in. Palestinians chose to fight on the side of the Nazi's. Forget about the Jews, even if the British wanted to be sympathetic about Ottoman rule and give Palestinians land, how would Britain look rewarding people who fought alongside an enemy that bombed them? You say that Palestinians don't have to be perfect victims, ok, show me the victimhood of them fighting alongside Nazis for their own white supremacy then being indignant about the repercussions of it.
You say this because you are a dual citizen and have both USA and Israeli passport. You can bail on Israel as you please. That alone puts you in a very privileged position. In fact a significant amount of Jewish Israelis are dual citizens, many in western countries influencing policy and applying pressure on government to rule favourably towards Israel, which affects tax payers in the countries where this lobbying takes place, had this been any other country this would be considered treasonous. This blatant double standard among many other things are being rightfully called out.Einav Avisemer's written commentary is her opinion, but the videos on her page that I posted show what's happening on the ground in affected areas. The Israeli influencer as you call her didn't make that Palestinian woman cry on command then have the whole crowd start ki-ki'ing when they thought all the cameras were off.
You do know that the Gaza Strip was under Egyptian military rule from 1949 to 1967, right? When Egypt took Gaza their answer to the people they displaced was "Go to Jordan if you don't like it".
On one side of the Israeli Gaza war is Hezbollah which still practices slavery in 2024 fighting on behalf of Palestinians who as recently as 2023 segregated black people in a place that lovingly translates to slave town. Black peoples concern for people who would literally put all of us on a sand plantation is weird.
I have not implied anything of the sort. I have outright said that if in 2023 somebody comes through raping, murdering, and kidnapping then the people who got their lick in don't get to complain about the repercussions of them attacking.
Why do I cape for Israel? I'm a citizen. I have lived in Israel. I own property in Israel. I have friends and family in Israel. I know one person who was murdered at teh festival on October 7th and another who is still a hostage. My husband was in Israel when the attack happened and as an IDF reservist was on active wartime duty until last month. I am deeply invested in Israel, so my cape will stay flying in the wind for it.
No country in the world was founded with my black
The majority of Jews living in Israel are Sephardic/Mizrahi. Ashkenazi Jews being the loudest doesn't mean they are centered.
The people who call themselves Palestinians are not any kind of victims. Whatever land they think was theirs was lost in 1516 when the Ottoman Empire took control until 1918 when the British came in. Palestinians chose to fight on the side of the Nazi's. Forget about the Jews, even if the British wanted to be sympathetic about Ottoman rule and give Palestinians land, how would Britain look rewarding people who fought alongside an enemy that bombed them? You say that Palestinians don't have to be perfect victims, ok, show me the victimhood of them fighting alongside Nazis for their own white supremacy then being indignant about the repercussions of it.
I would need sources on Palestinians fighting on behalf of the Nazis. What I have read so far about the man who was Palestinian leader of the time, I would hardly call that fighting on the side of Nazis but I am open to correction.Einav Avisemer's written commentary is her opinion, but the videos on her page that I posted show what's happening on the ground in affected areas. The Israeli influencer as you call her didn't make that Palestinian woman cry on command then have the whole crowd start ki-ki'ing when they thought all the cameras were off.
You do know that the Gaza Strip was under Egyptian military rule from 1949 to 1967, right? When Egypt took Gaza their answer to the people they displaced was "Go to Jordan if you don't like it".
On one side of the Israeli Gaza war is Hezbollah which still practices slavery in 2024 fighting on behalf of Palestinians who as recently as 2023 segregated black people in a place that lovingly translates to slave town. Black peoples concern for people who would literally put all of us on a sand plantation is weird.
I have not implied anything of the sort. I have outright said that if in 2023 somebody comes through raping, murdering, and kidnapping then the people who got their lick in don't get to complain about the repercussions of them attacking.
Why do I cape for Israel? I'm a citizen. I have lived in Israel. I own property in Israel. I have friends and family in Israel. I know one person who was murdered at teh festival on October 7th and another who is still a hostage. My husband was in Israel when the attack happened and as an IDF reservist was on active wartime duty until last month. I am deeply invested in Israel, so my cape will stay flying in the wind for it.
No country in the world was founded with my black
The majority of Jews living in Israel are Sephardic/Mizrahi. Ashkenazi Jews being the loudest doesn't mean they are centered.
The people who call themselves Palestinians are not any kind of victims. Whatever land they think was theirs was lost in 1516 when the Ottoman Empire took control until 1918 when the British came in. Palestinians chose to fight on the side of the Nazi's. Forget about the Jews, even if the British wanted to be sympathetic about Ottoman rule and give Palestinians land, how would Britain look rewarding people who fought alongside an enemy that bombed them? You say that Palestinians don't have to be perfect victims, ok, show me the victimhood of them fighting alongside Nazis for their own white supremacy then being indignant about the repercussions of it.
I called her influencer because I don't know what else to call her besides a social media personality. She is not a journalist, or a political commentator but she has a social media with a sizeable following so the title fit.
Yes I am aware that Egypt controlled Gaza, there is nothing shocking about any nation not wanting to shoulder the responsibility of a people that aren't their citizens. That's universal, so to me it's not a proof of anything.
Wrong that's not how this works, nation State post world War 2 do not get to exact revenge all willy nilly, they should comply to rule of law which includes warfare. You don't get to go rogue and then want to speak of being democratic nation and control the narrative.
Why do I cape for Israel? I'm a citizen. I have lived in Israel. I own property in Israel. I have friends and family in Israel. I know one person who was murdered at teh festival on October 7th and another who is still a hostage. My husband was in Israel when the attack happened and as an IDF reservist was on active wartime duty until last month. I am deeply invested in Israel, so my cape will stay flying in the wind for it.
No country in the world was founded with my black
If Palestinians are white than Ashkenazi Jews are in no position to having tantrums for being called white on national TV, when they look the part more so than the former.
That's not true. 80% + of US Aid comes right back into the US economy.
Perhaps I missed it but the only person I saw you post was Mufti, I didn't see any account of Palestinians collaborating with Hitler.
I am not well read on the Mufti and his political aspirations, but I know a thing of two about migration patterns and how influx of immigrants create tensions. Point me to a single group people, that would accept strangers with open arms in large numbers in history or modern times, and that have done so successfully.
Do you acknowledge that Hamas indiscriminately murdered Israeli men, women and children on October 7th?
The only way to compare Jews to any of those other groups is if you subscribe to a Palestinian genocide where the math isn't mathing.
I do acknowledge. This is not the root of this conflict, if you don’t address the root of this problem, Israelis will never have peace in this region it’s been 75 years. There will be constant fear of retaliation. Focusing on October 7th is a disservice to begin to address the problem. The weeds need to be pulled from the root.
October 7th isn’t where this conflict starts or ends. This is where Israelis got the wake up call that they are not invincible. No nation is no matter how powerful they are at a given moment in time.
Palestinians have always had a backup plan. Their elected government could take the money they receive from the surrounding Arab countries and use it to feed and educate their population and engage in commerce instead of picking fights with Israel that they will never win over the land they will never get. But that's too much like right.
What exactly does the bolded mean?
I meant the that the root of this issue doesn’t start on Oct 7th, it’s a byproduct.
What are the weeds that you referred to that need to be pulled out at the root? How does that play out in the real world?
By not sharing a 1 sided story - dehumanizing the other side as just a bunch of terrorists who just want to kill Jews. Shutting down any discourse in the mainstream that brings the Palestinian point of view and shutting down any form of mutual discourse by hiding behind antisemitism. We are not going to act like Israelis and Palestinians have been characterized with an even brush here in the West. Openly discussing the illegal settlements by American/European Jews fanning the flames of this conflict.
There is no country in that list that has the kind of political/financial relationship with the USA like Israel does. That chart doesn’t tell the full story of the level complicity and bipartisanship that exist between USA-Israel.
I realize after multiple responses that nothing I post will tell any story that you're going to acknowledge as valid so we don't have to have any more exchanges on this topic.
When I started engaging with you, I never expected you to change your mind. I only meant to counter your arguments. It’s ok we don’t agree. We don’t have to.
I know we agreed no more discussion on the topic of Israel. But I want to circle back to what I said about these conflicts affecting us globally when they are not resolved properly.