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Old 06-15-2004, 07:36 PM
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Default What is the best perm/relaxer for coarse hair?!

I really, really need your help. I am the only one in my entire family with hair like this. Before my hair was relaxed my natural hair was nappy mixed with curls, but the curls were little, my natural hair is best described as 'spongey', which is how it looked and felt and if you pulled a curl out it would spring right back into place once you let go. People have told me that this is why perms and relaxers don't get my hair straight, because they are designed to straighten 'regular nappy hair', where as my hair was a different type of nappy. I got a perm 5 days ago and already my hair is so nappy that I cannot do anything with it, it is puffy and doesn't look groomed. I cannot wear my hair natural because it is a mass of thick hair that is completly unmanageable. I'm tired of this. When I've complained before, people have accused me of hating black hair, when in fact I just do not like MY hair type. If my hair was just regular then it would be able to get straight like everyone elses and look presentable. If you all don't have any suggestions, then my only other option is to wear a wig. I need help. Maybe I am lost because I live in a small town that is way behind the times in hair care. Why can't my hair get straight and last? Is there a relaxer out there that will get my hair type straight? Also are there any type of other chemicals that will get my hair straight besides a perm, I've heard of different things that African-Americans put in their hair to get it straight that aren't relaxers. What should I do? Any suggestions??? please.
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Old 06-15-2004, 07:44 PM
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Default Re: What is the best perm/relaxer for coarse hair?!

maybe who ever's applying your relaxer isnt doing a good job of smoothing it in enough. sounds like you have regular 4 a/b hair. maybe you could try using an extra strength relaxer or leaving it in for a little bit longer than usual if you want the bone straight look. you could also try a wet rollerset to smooth it out.
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Old 06-15-2004, 07:47 PM
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Default Re: What is the best perm/relaxer for coarse hair?!

Even my friends with 4b hair will get a perm, and the bone straight looks lasts on them forever, where as I only get the look for 5 days if I'm lucky. I'm so tired of this I'm bout ready to cut all of my hair off and start with a new chemical of some sort. btw, i love that lil Michael Jackson. lol.
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Old 06-15-2004, 07:51 PM
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Default Re: What is the best perm/relaxer for coarse hair?!

Ok ... lol ... i have hair that has a mix of ur type of hair ... umm maybe that perm u used was too mild or did not stay in ur hair long enough to straighten it out. Ive been to places where perms stay in for around 25 minutes (which i find is loong time). tell me a bit more on how the perming-process went.

My hair is currently natural I either straighten it with an iron or go to the hairdresser(dominicaine lady) to have it blown out straight(set in rollers first). I have not permed my hair in over a year now and I have no probs. I actually prefer it better. I strongly advice that you try gettig it blow dried proffessionally. When i get mines down it looks like i was born with straight hair and it really has a nice flow and soft feeling to it.
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Default Re: What is the best perm/relaxer for coarse hair?!

Ok ... lol ... i have hair that has a mix of ur type of hair ... umm maybe that perm u used was too mild or did not stay in ur hair long enough to straighten it out. Ive been to places where perms stay in for around 25 minutes (which i find is loong time). tell me a bit more on how the perming-process went.

My hair is currently natural I either straighten it with an iron or go to the hairdresser(dominicaine lady) to have it blown out straight(set in rollers first). I have not permed my hair in over a year now and I have no probs. I actually prefer it better. I strongly advice that you try gettig it blow dried proffessionally. When i get mines down it looks like i was born with straight hair and it really has a nice flow and soft feeling to it.

Maybe whoever did ur hair doesnt really know how to handle it or doesnt have alot of experience with that type of hair.
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Old 06-15-2004, 09:12 PM
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Default Re: What is the best perm/relaxer for coarse hair?!

thank you blazn. Everyone I go to leaves the perm setting for about 10 minutes or 12 minutes. Last month I did argue with my stylist for putting a mild Mizani perm in, but she said that is all black people need is a mild. I tried telling her that a mild perm is definitely, definitley, not going to work on my hair. She put the mild in anyway and needless to say I was looking a mess. 5 days ago, I'm not sure what type she put in, whether it was regular or strong, but I know it was a Mizani and my hair is already nappy. Maybe she just put a regular in.

Anyhow, does anyone know the name of the chemical that naturals put in that gives them the Jada Pinkett look, and also what is the chemical that permies such as Janet Jackson use? I forgot the name of both, but I heard they're great.
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Old 06-15-2004, 09:26 PM
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Default Re: What is the best perm/relaxer for coarse hair?!

Due to my experience and what I've heard I actually believe that mild relaxers work better with coarse hair. My hair straightens very easily with mizani sensitive scalp. However this is a no-lye relaxer and was very drying. Mild lye relaxers don't do the job for me so I now use it to texturize (just slightly soften) but mizani sensitive scalp straightens quickly and painlessly. I am mostly 4b with some 4a and am now texturized/relaxed.
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Old 06-16-2004, 04:03 AM
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Default Re: What is the best perm/relaxer for coarse hair?!

thanx for your opinion.
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Default Re: What is the best perm/relaxer for coarse hair?!

I don't think you have 4b hair. Like you said earlier your 4b friends hair stays straight. I too beleive that 4b hair is easy to break down with a relaxer. I think if you have resistant hair, I think you need to use No-Lye. It is more drying though but it is "stronger" than the corresponding lye strengths. However, what I really think you should do is rollerset your hair to get it straight. There is no reason when 4a/4b naturals can get their hair rollerset and come out with a straight look that someone who has had a relaxer can't get the same. So basically keep on hunting until you can find a decent hairdresser.
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I use Arosci
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Default Re: What is the best perm/relaxer for coarse hair?


It sounds as though they under processed your hair. If your hair is that porous then you need to leave it on at LEAST 20 minutes but no more then 30. Smoothing your relax after applying it will also play a big factor. You may have to learn to do your hair yourself, no one knows how it will reacte like you. So learn as much as you can on the Forum and take the plunge. I'm sure you will come out more satisfied.
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Old 06-16-2004, 11:24 PM
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thank you.
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Default Re: What is the best perm/relaxer for coarse hair?

I agree with what the others are saying. No-lye relaxers are stronger than lye so try that and leave it on a little bit longer. I wouldn't suggest applying chemicals yourself since you're already having trouble with professional help. Also, like someone stated earlier, try a rollerset. There isn't a reason why the naturals on here can get there hair straight and you can't with a relaxer.

My hair has been compared to wire in the past so I know how you feel. I live in a small town too, so maybe you could find a stylist in a city near you. What also help with making my new growth softer and more managable was using WGO and Jane Carter's Nourish & Shine. Any product that softens your new growth will eventually have an effect on your hair texture.
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Default Re: What is the best perm/relaxer for coarse hair?

What exactly are no-lye relaxers? What are the names of them, and where can I order them? Also, how does a roller set get your hair straight? Is this some type of new technique or something? I know me and my family used to get 'roller sets' in the 90s but just to get shirley temple curls since they were in style. Is that the same thing? Can somebody fill me in? And is there a way I can do the roller sets at home?
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Old 06-18-2004, 02:16 AM
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Default Re: What is the best perm/relaxer for coarse hair?

Most relaxers come in Lye and no lye formulations. The no lye ones are usually in a kit. The rollers used are large magnetic rollers and so you don't end up with shirley temple curls.
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Where can I buy these rollers?
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Default Re: What is the best perm/relaxer for coarse hair?

i would have to place my vote on affirm, mazani is good too
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Old 06-18-2004, 06:19 AM
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^^neither of those work on me.
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