Marrying the Sin ... How Far Does it Go? (Spin-off)

[Shimmie]

Growing up I remember hearing the saying, "He (or She) sold their soul to the devil.

One of the scriptures that relates to this is,


"What does it profit a man to gain the world and lose his (her) soul?"

While we can relate this to business, government, political sell-outs, there is another which is gay marriage.

There is no way that two people of the same sex can marry one another, therefore what they are marrying is the sin. They are coming into covenant with a sin and basically instead of a covenant with God, it is a covenant with darkness and veiled deception.

No matter what laws are instituted by the government, when the laws come against the laws of God and His Natural Order, it creates an offset in the natural course of life, a derailment, a backlash that nature its self reacts to when something of it's true nature is out of order.

GMO's are not limited to agriculture and Monsanto... gay marriage is a GMO, genetically modified organism...unnatural.

Even non-Christians know this and they know it well.

However, what are the consequences of this covenant? How does it affect the current generation and those to come? What happens to the children? For there is no escape from the spiritual foundation of any aspect of life. Be it of God or darkness, there is always a spiritual element for what we do.

God's Word shares that the 'sins of the fathers will visit the children even to the 3rd and 4th generation. This is known as generational curses. There are familiar spirits (spirits of darkness who roam the earth seeking whom they may devour). If one has formed a marriage/covenant with darkness, they have made ring bearers, bridesmaids and groomsmen of these dark spirits to walk the aisles in their lives visiting the seeds they have produced via adoption, or natural conceptions.

Some will boast that gays do not conceive so they do not have to worry about generational curses...

Not so

In a gay 'marriage' you have two people coming into agreement together, agreeing to marry the sin and there' it shall be established. It is not truly realized by them and those who support them just how serious this is and is not for their good, let alone the children involved; be it theirs or other children of this generation.

When one marries a sin, there is no win...for they have cursed themselves, save for the Blood of Jesus to redeem them.

None of this is shared in discourse, the truth is what it is.

 

[PinkPebbles]

Shimmie....great topic and I will be back later on today to share my thoughts

 

[Shimmie]

Shimmie....great topic and I will be back later on today to share my thoughts

Thanks PinkPebbles, I look forward to your message. I know it will be encouraging while at the same time a much needed awareness. :Rose:

 

[Shimmie]

Joshua said:

"Choose you this day, whom you will serve; as for me and 'My House', we will serve the Lord"... (Joshua 24:15)

Joshua dedicated his life and the life of his family (his household) unto the Lord, He was preserving His prosterity, his legacy, the future of his 'seed', his children and his children's children...his lineage.

Joshua, 'struck down' a generational curse upon his family.

 

[baddison]

Shimmie - Great topic. Biblical truth is biblical truth.

Reminds me of a wonderful article recently authored by Dennis Rainey:
http://www.familylife.com/articles/...ssues/why-we-oppose-gay-marriage#.Udmj86tDvyM

We need a CLEAR UNDERSTANDING of GOD'S PURPOSE FOR MARRIAGE!!

 

[Shimmie]

Shimmie - Great topic. Biblical truth is biblical truth.

Reminds me of a wonderful article recently authored by Dennis Rainey:
http://www.familylife.com/articles/...ssues/why-we-oppose-gay-marriage#.Udmj86tDvyM

We need a CLEAR UNDERSTANDING of GOD'S PURPOSE FOR MARRIAGE!!

baddison, thank you so much for sharing this. The Rainey's have a powerful Marriage/Family Ministry. He and his wife, Barbara are a true testament to Marriage.

 

[momi]

GMO's are not limited to agriculture and Monsanto... gay marriage is a GMO, genetically modified organism...unnatural.

Speechless at the truth in this comparison.

 

[Shimmie]

GMO's are not limited to agriculture and Monsanto... gay marriage is a GMO, genetically modified organism...unnatural.

Speechless at the truth in this comparison.

momi... .. it off-sets the balance of humanity.

A bit of irony: President Obama co-signed both of them, Monsanto and gay marriage.

 

[Successfulmiss]

I'm speechless! I am not at my computer to fully put my thoughts in this thread but I know I need to go somewhere and pray. This rocked me! Love you ladies in Christ

 

[sweetvi]

Thank you for listening Shimmie

Although many things have changed in LHCF, I always keep coming back for my spiritual food because of this Forum!. I know for a fact had it not been for the Christian forum, I probably would have strayed....

 

[sweetvi]

Joshua said:

"Choose you this day, whom you will serve; as for me and 'My House', we will serve the Lord"... (Joshua 24:15)

Joshua dedicated his life and the life of his family (his household) unto the Lord, He was preserving His prosterity, his legacy, the future of his 'seed', his children and his children's children...his lineage.

Joshua, 'struck down' a generational curse upon his family.

This motivates and reminds me the importance of serving the Lord..

 

[Shimmie]

I'm speechless! I am not at my computer to fully put my thoughts in this thread but I know I need to go somewhere and pray. This rocked me! Love you ladies in Christ

Thank you for listening Shimmie

Although many things have changed in LHCF, I always keep coming back for my spiritual food because of this Forum!. I know for a fact had it not been for the Christian forum, I probably would have strayed....

I almost didn't post this ...

 

[Shimmie]

This motivates and reminds me the importance of serving the Lord..

On my former husband's side of the family, there's adultery, drug/alcohol abuse, several diseases, pre-mature death cycles.

God broke this cycle off of our children when I surrendered my life to Him and dedicated my children to Him. The devil fought me high and wide with family discord ( I was too 'religious', etc., etc., etc.). I couldn't go back to where God brought me from. I had no desire to.

God gave me Psalm 89...His promise to protect my children and my children's children. God kept His promises, all of them.

When we give our lives to Jesus, satan is coming to stop this Covenant with God from surviving. He is going to use family, friends, work, finances, all things in life that 'we' depend upon and have ground close to / fond of.

his attacks are not productive unless he uses those we love or the things we 'need' to come against us. he'll place 'counterfeits' in your path, which are seducing tactics which are intended to lead you into a 'courtship' with darkness.

However, God stood me firm. I didn't want blood diamonds from satan.

It didn't matter how much I was ridiculed, laughed at, taunted, criticized; that I was called self-righteous... God stood me firm and one of His guards for me was... "As for me and my 'House' ".

No regrets. No regrets whatsoever.

'We' who love the Lord and serve him, do not accept satan's courtship, we do not desire his blood diamonds. We are the Church, the Bride Jesus speaks of whom He is grooming and coming for and we shall all be ready.

 

[PinkPebbles]

I believe when we look at this issue spiritually first then we will see how it has manifested in the natural. In the beginning, God created male and female; blessed them and said “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the earth.” This right here is God’s plan for mankind; and one of the reasons He created mankind for this earthly realm.

Well, we know that anything good God creates the adversary Satan comes to to kill, steal, and destroy it. I’m quite sure the enemy pondered on how to put a halt to God’s creation; how he can stop mankind for being privileged to dominate the earth under the authority of God.

We see the first attack in Genesis with Adam and Eve – spiritual death by way of deception.

Furthermore, I believe the enemy has attacked procreation. How can mankind continue to be fruitful and multiply without both a male and female attraction!?! How can mankind have dominion over the earth while operating in sin!?! We can’t and the enemy knows it. As a result, the enemy releases demonic spirits to attack God’s purpose for mankind. One of the spirits that the enemy released to attack mankind with is homosexuality.

What most deceived people failed to realized is that God created each of us with a unique purpose; and placed us in this earthly realm on an assignment to fulfill His greater purpose. So when we negate our assignment we are no longer operating to fulfill God’s greater purpose, but rather working to fulfill Satan’s purpose; and that is to destroy God’s creation and plans for mankind.

With that said, it’s dangerous to be in covenant with sin and the adversary. Shimmie you mentioned once before that sin never wins. And that is the truth! The bible shows us clearly the consequences of sin.

So many people have a careless attitude but you better care because the body and soul dies, but our spirit lives forever. God gave is a body and soul to function in this earthly realm, but we also have a spirit within for the spiritual realm which is unseen.

I’ve said enough for now but I’ll be back!

 

[Shimmie]

I believe when we look at this issue spiritually first then we will see how it has manifested in the natural. In the beginning, God created male and female; blessed them and said “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the earth.” This right here is God’s plan for mankind; and one of the reasons He created mankind for this earthly realm.


Well, we know that anything good God creates the adversary Satan comes to to kill, steal, and destroy it. I’m quite sure the enemy pondered on how to put a halt to God’s creation; how he can stop mankind for being privileged to dominate the earth under the authority of God.


We see the first attack in Genesis with Adam and Eve – spiritual death by way of deception.



Furthermore, I believe the enemy has attacked procreation. How can mankind continue to be fruitful and multiply without both a male and female attraction!?! How can mankind have dominion over the earth while operating in sin!?! We can’t and the enemy knows it. As a result, the enemy releases demonic spirits to attack God’s purpose for mankind. One of the spirits that the enemy released to attack mankind with is homosexuality. [/FONT

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What most deceived people failed to realized is that God created each of us with a unique purpose; and placed us in this earthly realm on an assignment to fulfill His greater purpose. So when we negate our assignment we are no longer operating to fulfill God’s greater purpose, but rather working to fulfill Satan’s purpose; and that is to destroy God’s creation and plans for mankind.

With that said, it’s dangerous to be in covenant with sin and the adversary. Shimmie you mentioned once before that sin never wins. And that is the truth! The bible shows us clearly the consequences of sin.

So many people have a careless attitude but you better care because the body and soul dies, but our spirit lives forever. God gave is a body and soul to function in this earthly realm, but we also have a spirit within for the spiritual realm which is unseen.

I’ve said enough for now but I’ll be back!

PinkPebbles, this is a rich word. Thank you and please come back with more, soon. :Rose:

At the bolded above in dark red, regarding procreation:

gays think that it's acceptable to conceive via In vitro methods. Somehow, because of their reasoning, this method is dehumanizing procreation.

I can understand a husband and wife who have tried to conceive and have failed, their reasoning is not the same. But it's bizarre for the reasons gays have for doing so.

 

[Divine.]

On my former husband's side of the family, there's adultery, drug/alcohol abuse, several diseases, pre-mature death cycles.

God broke this cycle off of our children when I surrendered my life to Him and dedicated my children to Him. The devil fought me high and wide with family discord ( I was too 'religious', etc., etc., etc.). I couldn't go back to where God brought me from. I had no desire to.

God gave me Psalm 89...His promise to protect my children and my children's children. God kept His promises, all of them.

When we give our lives to Jesus, satan is coming to stop this Covenant with God from surviving. He is going to use family, friends, work, finances, all things in life that 'we' depend upon and have ground close to / fond of.

his attacks are not productive unless he uses those we love or the things we 'need' to come against us. he'll place 'counterfeits' in your path, which are seducing tactics which are intended to lead you into a 'courtship' with darkness.

However, God stood me firm. I didn't want blood diamonds from satan.

It didn't matter how much I was ridiculed, laughed at, taunted, criticized; that I was called self-righteous... God stood me firm and one of His guards for me was... "As for me and my 'House' ".

No regrets. No regrets whatsoever.

'We' who love the Lord and serve him, do not accept satan's courtship, we do not desire his blood diamonds. We are the Church, the Bride Jesus speaks of whom He is grooming and coming for and we shall all be ready.

Shimmie My pastor was just preaching about this today. He mentioned how Satan doesn't want our job, our money, our family: he's after our souls! If he can use these things to get to your soul then he will do so. He wants our souls to be in covenant with him, not God. Ain't it the truth!

 

[PinkPebbles]

@PinkPebbles, this is a rich word. Thank you and please come back with more, soon. :Rose:

At the bolded above in dark red, regarding procreation:

gays think that it's acceptable to conceive via In vitro methods. Somehow, because of their reasoning, this method is dehumanizing procreation.

I can understand a husband and wife who have tried to conceive and have failed, their reasoning is not the same. But it's bizarre for the reasons gays have for doing so.

The gay reasoning is ungodly because the enemy’s plan is to raise a godless generation. It is Satan’s agenda to have innocent children raised by homosexual couples in hopes that these children will never be introduced to God or the divine order that God intended for male and female.

The danger of being in covenant with sin is that you risk being subject to a reprobate mind. Eventually your wickedness will destroy you because now the wrath of God will be upon you.

The enemy always deceives people to do his dirty work and once his mission is accomplished he sets you up to be destroyed. Right now the gays think it’s quite normal to adopt children or have surrogates but they are being used by the enemy. And once the enemy is done with them it’s his nature to set them up for destruction.

Sodom and Gomorrah is a prime example. People in that place had no barriers, no boundaries, or godly standards. They did what was right in their own eyes and became out of control. Eventually the wrath of God came upon them.

Again, sin never wins .

 

[PinkPebbles]

@Shimmie My pastor was just preaching about this today. He mentioned how Satan doesn't want our job, our money, our family: he's after our souls! If he can use these things to get to your soul then he will do so. He wants our souls to be in covenant with him, not God. Ain't it the truth!

at the bolded is so true which is why I have to check myself often. I started to get into the habit of surrendering my desires unto the Lord and trusting if it's God's Will then it will happen.

Many of us are led astray by our own lust and desires.

In my devotional bible the author suggested that we ask ourselves this question as often as possible - 'What kinds of sins have I committed in order to find happiness?'

 

[BostonMaria]

Shimmie I sometimes wonder what it felt like back 40+ years ago during the female liberation, sex drugs rock n roll, drug infested 60's & 70's era. People most likely thought it was the end times back then. Those dark times also brought revival and repentance.

I am scared for our youth, but I also remember that God is in control. The homosexual community wants to be heard and no longer want to be silenced. If the church wasn't so divided this never would have happened. Many people have not taught their kids how to pray, go to church, respect the commandments, keep our religious customs, etc. We have one foot in the world and one in the spirit. Being double minded doesn't help anyone. There were so many scandals of priests molesting kids and people use this to tell us we have no right to condemn.

There are many hurting people out there that need to hear the gospel. I don't have the answer but I have to remember that God is in control and He is good. I have to remember that He created the universe and all this stuff is no surprise to Him.

I have gay family members and I love them very much. I don't know how to tell them to please turn from the desires of the flesh. I just pray for them. I remember a time when I thought gay marriage, abortion, women's "rights", and other sins was great and nobody's business. I was double minded. If I could be saved (and God knows I have so much to learn) then I'm sure others can too.

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[Shimmie]

The gay reasoning is ungodly because the enemy’s plan is to raise a godless generation. It is Satan’s agenda to have innocent children raised by homosexual couples in hopes that these children will never be introduced to God or the divine order that God intended for male and female.

The danger of being in covenant with sin is that you risk being subject to a reprobate mind. Eventually your wickedness will destroy you because now the wrath of God will be upon you.

The enemy always deceives people to do his dirty work and once his mission is accomplished he sets you up to be destroyed. Right now the gays think it’s quite normal to adopt children or have surrogates but they are being used by the enemy. And once the enemy is done with them it’s his nature to set them up for destruction.

Sodom and Gomorrah is a prime example. People in that place had no barriers, no boundaries, or godly standards. They did what was right in their own eyes and became out of control. Eventually the wrath of God came upon them.

Again, sin never wins .

satan never got over being kicked from Heaven. Jesus said, he saw satan fall as lightening; that had to have been a powerful beat down he got from the Arch Angel "Michael".

satan was the original "pride cometh before a fall"..... satan rose up in pride against God, which proceeded to satan's fall 'from Heaven'.

In satan's resentment, he's been out to get back at God by deceiving God's most cherished creation...humanity.

 

[Shimmie]

Shimmie My pastor was just preaching about this today. He mentioned how Satan doesn't want our job, our money, our family: he's after our souls! If he can use these things to get to your soul then he will do so. He wants our souls to be in covenant with him, not God. Ain't it the truth!

divine, 'ain't is the truth is right.'

Jesus said to Peter,

And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:

But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren. Luke 22:31-32

But Jesus said, "I have prayed for you..." that your faith, fail not and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren...

No matter what satan throws at 'us', Jesus has already prayed for us beforehand, that our faith will not fail and when we are 'converted', we are then to strengthen one another.

"Iron sharpens Iron"

 

[Shimmie]

Shimmie I sometimes wonder what it felt like back 40+ years ago during the female liberation, sex drugs rock n roll, drug infested 60's & 70's era. People most likely thought it was the end times back then. Those dark times also brought revival and repentance.

I am scared for our youth, but I also remember that God is in control. The homosexual community wants to be heard and no longer want to be silenced. If the church wasn't so divided this never would have happened. Many people have not taught their kids how to pray, go to church, respect the commandments, keep our religious customs, etc. We have one foot in the world and one in the spirit. Being double minded doesn't help anyone. There were so many scandals of priests molesting kids and people use this to tell us we have no right to condemn.

There are many hurting people out there that need to hear the gospel. I don't have the answer but I have to remember that God is in control and He is good. I have to remember that He created the universe and all this stuff is no surprise to Him.

I have gay family members and I love them very much. I don't know how to tell them to please turn from the desires of the flesh. I just pray for them. I remember a time when I thought gay marriage, abortion, women's "rights", and other sins was great and nobody's business. I was double minded. If I could be saved (and God knows I have so much to learn) then I'm sure others can too.

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BostonMaria, you are definitely on the right track. Prayer... it never fails.

"Holy Spirit", how do I 'fix' this? How do I pray for them? What should I tell them?

God loves to be invited into our needs, requesting His wisdom, His guidance and His intervention.

 

[Laela]

Shimmie...this really is very deep stuff...broken down this way! wow... Letting it soak it..I tend to believe, however, Sodom & Gomorrah was more about lawlessness (any and all sins go; corrupted flesh despising all authority) than just homosexuality alone.

 

[Choclatcotton]

AMEN!! Shimmie! its true anyway.

 

[Blackpearl1993]

So much I could say here. This issue is one that weighs on my heart in the heaviest of ways. Ever since I was young (I'm no spring chicken anymore) this issue has grieved me terribly. I remember praying to protect my unborn children from homosexuality (among many, many other things). Satan is definitely using homosexuality to deceive the body of Christ, and to prevent others from coming to Christ. It begins in ways that appear subtle (comedy shows like Will and Grace, and that show Ellen Degeneres was on years ago, The New Normal, etc.), reality shows with homosexual individuals. All of this is to make people believe that homosexuality is normal and that people who practice the lifestyle "are just like everyone else". Next, it was the name calling and labeling of those who choose to observe God's truths rather than Satan's lies, and the ridiculous parallels people have tried to draw between the homosexual agenda and the civil rights movement. This was meant to shame Christians into publicly accepting the homosexual agenda. This worked in many cases unfortunately, although as someone mentioned earlier none of this would have gotten so far if the church was not divided.

Praise God that He has all power. He will have the victory and everyone will answer for their involvement in this deception.

 

[Shimmie]

Shimmie...this really is very deep stuff...broken down this way! wow... Letting it soak it..I tend to believe, however, Sodom & Gomorrah was more about lawlessness (any and all sins go; corrupted flesh despising all authority) than just homosexuality alone.

I agree Laela... It is indeed lawlessness which is what gay marriage is, a lawless institution of rebellion against the Love of God.

 

[Shimmie]

AMEN!! Shimmie! its true anyway.

Amen, Choclacotton... Amen.

 

[Shimmie]

So much I could say here. This issue is one that weighs on my heart in the heaviest of ways. Ever since I was young (I'm no spring chicken anymore) this issue has grieved me terribly.

I remember praying to protect my unborn children from homosexuality (among many, many other things). Satan is definitely using homosexuality to deceive the body of Christ, and to prevent others from coming to Christ. It begins in ways that appear subtle (comedy shows like Will and Grace, and that show Ellen Degeneres was on years ago, The New Normal, etc.), reality shows with homosexual individuals. All of this is to make people believe that homosexuality is normal and that people who practice the lifestyle "are just like everyone else".

Next, it was the name calling and labeling of those who choose to observe God's truths rather than Satan's lies, and the ridiculous parallels people have tried to draw between the homosexual agenda and the civil rights movement. This was meant to shame Christians into publicly accepting the homosexual agenda. This worked in many cases unfortunately, although as someone mentioned earlier none of this would have gotten so far if the church was not divided.

Praise God that He has all power. He will have the victory and everyone will answer for their involvement in this deception.

Blackpearl1993, your post is exactly what the enemy has construed.

I remember the show, 'Queer Eye for the Straight Guy', a reality show where gay men who were skilled in men's dress designs, cooking skills, grooming, etc., would assist an unkempt 'straight' guy and bring him from a geek to a refined, attractive male image.

I have to give these men their props as they knew their skills in improving a man's exterior image. And the straight men formed a 'bond' with them and it was the goal and objective of this entire strategy to endear the gay lifestyle, to remove the stigma and the sting of what is sin.

There is only one truth about this strategy which is that gays are not 'bad' people, they truly are not. However, it is the poison of their beliefs and their lifestyle that is the damage and the agenda that they have to normalize their lifestyle.

When you mentioned above regarding the negative names and attacks upon those of us who stand against this lifestyle and the dangers of it upon the children and society, that too, was the objective which is to cast a dark, negative and downgrading image of those who stand for righteousness and yet still love them as God does. 'We' do not hate gays, yet because we disagree and do not support gay marriage and the gay lifestyle, we have been falsely attacked and accused of such.

Here's a beautiful scripture that their vicious attacks upon 'us' reminds me of; I love this Word of God as it truly speaks our heart:

For my love they have hated me: but I give myself unto prayer. Psalm 109:4

Black Pearl... I LOVE this scripture! It speaks VOLUMES to my heart.

Praise God! This scripture just melts into my heart.

For my love, they have hated me, but I give myself unto prayer. Praise God!

Jesus said, "Pray for those who wrongfully accuse you, pray for those who hate you.... '

And see this is the most powerful weapon that we possess...Prayer. And we pray in many zones and levels and heights, God leads us into prayers that take over this in so many areas and far more territory than they will ever gain in this agenda they have comprised for sin can only go but so far, before it ends.

And BlackPearl, this ties in as to how you ended your post...

Praise God that He has all power. He will have the victory

For 'Our' love, they hated us, but we gave ourselves unto prayer.... "


Glory, Glory, Glory unto God... in Jesus' Name, Amen and Amen.

God bless you, Black Pearl... God bless you. It was your post that brought the scripture to the surface... Psalm 109...

 

[Shimmie]

So many of us have gay friends and family members, people that we love, truly, truly love. God needs us to pray for their deliverance and yet still speak the truth to and about those who are working to keep them in bondage to this sexual sin.

We will not sit by and allow them to 'marry' this sin nor any other sin.

We will not allow them to be courted by this sin. There will be no betrothal binding them in covenant to the prince of darkness.

We will not allow the innocent lives and minds and souls of children to be 'abducted' by this agenda.

We will not allow the spirits of darkness to possess their souls.

We will not allow compromise in the Church to further weaken the structure for Jesus still remains, our 'Chief Cornerstone' and will not fall under the pressure to concede.

It is the effectual, ferverant unending prayers of the righteous which shall availeth much.

For what shall we say to this things...

If God be for us, who can be against us? With God on our side, how can we be denied? For we have been made.... more than Conquerors through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Our prayer, Father God, please set the captives free. For whom the Son (Jesus Christ) hath set free is free indeed. In Jesus' Name, Amen and Amen.

 

[Iwanthealthyhair67]

@Shimmie...this really is very deep stuff...broken down this way! wow... Letting it soak it..I tend to believe, however, Sodom & Gomorrah was more about lawlessness (any and all sins go; corrupted flesh despising all authority) than just homosexuality alone.

you are right in your belief, Ezekiel lists the reasons, Sodom and Gomorrah was no the only town that was wicked in that way, remember Gibeah the incident of the Levite and his concubine.