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Old 04-08-2005, 10:06 AM
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I was reading about Jill Scott's lyrics in the "Should Christians listen to hip hop" thread and then recalled that Surah 31:18 is NOT in the Bible. What exactly is it?
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Old 04-08-2005, 10:16 AM
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Default Re: What is Surah 31:18????

Your correct, its a verse from the Qur'an:

18. "And swell not thy cheek (for pride) at men, nor walk in insolence through the earth; for Allah loveth not any arrogant boaster.
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Old 04-08-2005, 10:20 AM
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Your correct, its a verse from the Qur'an:

18. "And swell not thy cheek (for pride) at men, nor walk in insolence through the earth; for Allah loveth not any arrogant boaster.
Isn't that saying the same thing as what's in the Bible about how God doesn't like haughtyness or pride?
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Yep, I can't remember the verse though.
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Old 04-08-2005, 10:24 AM
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Default Re: What is Surah 31:18????

doesn't the qu'ran say something about how Jesus is not savior, but just a profit?
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Default Re: What is Surah 31:18????

Cool! Learn something new everyday. I don't see the issue in discussing another religion like Jilly said. Doesn't necessarily discredit christian beliefs, could possibly even strengthen it.
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doesn't the qu'ran say something about how Jesus is not savior, but just a profit?
Both Muslims and Jews believe that while Jesus was a great man, he was only a prophet. Only Christians believe that Jesus is God.
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Proverbs 8:13 (New International Version)



13 To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech.
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Both Muslims and Jews believe that while Jesus was a great man, he was only a prophet. Only Christians believe that Jesus is God.
I believe that Jesus is God's son and that Jesus is not God.
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Default Re: What is Surah 31:18????

There are more similiarities in the Quran and bible than people realize.
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I believe that Jesus is God's son and that Jesus is not God.
I too agree with you Sugaplum.
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Chaya and Sugaplum,

Do you guys identify yourselves as Christians? Also, do you believe fully in the bible or just certain verses? Finally, do you dispute the verses in the bible that state that Jesus is God?

TIA...
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Default Re: What is Surah 31:18????

The main reason why the quran has many sayings similar to the Bible is because Muhammed was raised in full knowledge of Judism and the Christian faith. They were very familiar to him. They were the only faiths of the one God. Some other religions still were in his area but they were of what would be considered Pagan. So he was very influenced by Judism and Christianity. Christianity had been around for 600 years before he started Islam. And Judism for 4000 yars before him. It was Abrahams son Ishmail who is considered the father of the Arabs.
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Chaya and Sugaplum,

Do you guys identify yourselves as Christians? Also, do you believe fully in the bible or just certain verses? Finally, do you dispute the verses in the bible that state that Jesus is God?

TIA...
Do you guys identify yourselves as Christians? Yes
Also, do you believe fully in the bible or just certain verses? Fully
Finally, do you dispute the verses in the bible that state that Jesus is God?
There are several scriptures in the bible where Jesus says "My Father". I'm not sure which versus in the bible state that "Jesus is God" but these are the verses that mean to me that Jesus is Not God:

Matthew 7:21 - Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mark 14:62 - And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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Do you guys identify yourselves as Christians? Yes
Also, do you believe fully in the bible or just certain verses? Fully
Finally, do you dispute the verses in the bible that state that Jesus is God?
There are several scriptures in the bible where Jesus says "My Father". I'm not sure which versus in the bible state that "Jesus is God" but these are the verses that mean to me that Jesus is Not God:

Matthew 7:21 - Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mark 14:62 - And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Thanks for answering my questions, Sugaplum.

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Thanks for answering my questions, Sugaplum.
i agree with you. isn't jesus just the worldly human manifestation of God.
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i agree with you. isn't jesus just the worldly human manifestation of God.
John 1 states:
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.

14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,[d] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

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doesn't the qu'ran say something about how Jesus is not savior, but just a profit?
they dont believe he is the son of God because in the Qur'an, it is stated that Allah does not beget, nor is he begotten.
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they dont believe he is the son of God because in the Qur'an, it is stated that Allah does not beget, nor is he begotten.
so how can they get to the father without the son?
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Default Re: What is Surah 31:18????

Sugablum, you don't be in the trinity? God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit? There is scripture where God the Father calls his Son God...I'll find it. It's amazing.
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