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Default CAN I DEEP CONDITION, AFTER A HARD PROTEIN TREATMENT?

My hair was extremely dry, I wasn't paying much attention to moisture as I should have. As a result my hair started breaking because of dryness. I relaxed my hair, but forget to do my protein treatment before, so I did it the second wash after my relaxer to make up for it. My hair is still breaking, but it's minimal - it really needs moisture, but not sure if I do a DC treatment the wash after using protein (Nexxus Emergencee) if I will do more damage? Do I need to give my hair a break?

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Default Re: CAN I DEEP CONDITION, AFTER A HARD PROTEIN TREATMENT?

as long as your DC doesnt have a bunch of protien you should be fine. what were you going to use to DC with?
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I would strongly advise that you must do a moisture DC after a strong Protein treatment to stop your hair being too hard/ dry.
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Default Re: CAN I DEEP CONDITION, AFTER A HARD PROTEIN TREATMENT?

You absolutely must do a moisture rich DC after doing a strong protein treatment otherwise it'll be setback city!!
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Default Re: CAN I DEEP CONDITION, AFTER A HARD PROTEIN TREATMENT?

Moisturizing DC is a must after a hard protein treatment. I hope your hair snaps back
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THANKS LADIES - I used Nexxus Humectin with a shower cap after protein to combat the dryness. Left it on for about 30 minutes or so. However I've read in other threads that conditioners, do not deep condition.

My question is, can I use an actual D.C. (w/o protein) now as I find my hair is still dry/breaking?

I actually have to search for a new D.C. as the ones I have seem to work better on natural hair. I am thinking of trying ORS Pak...
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Default Re: CAN I DEEP CONDITION, AFTER A HARD PROTEIN TREATMENT?

If I am supposed to D.C. right after protein, then I guess this answers my question. But I just used a regular conditioner, and left it on for longer...
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Default Re: CAN I DEEP CONDITION, AFTER A HARD PROTEIN TREATMENT?

Moisture should always follow protein because protein leaves hair dry. You should always do a moisturizing DC right after any protein treatment. If you don't you will end up with dry, hard, breaking hair.
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Default Re: CAN I DEEP CONDITION, AFTER A HARD PROTEIN TREATMENT?

I've always DCed after hard protein.
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THANKS LADIES - I used Nexxus Humectin with a shower cap after protein to combat the dryness. Left it on for about 30 minutes or so. However I've read in other threads that conditioners, do not deep condition.

My question is, can I use an actual D.C. (w/o protein) now as I find my hair is still dry/breaking?

I actually have to search for a new D.C. as the ones I have seem to work better on natural hair. I am thinking of trying ORS Pak...

Girl no, that has hydrolyzed collagen pretty high on the ingredient list. Good for a normal DC, not so good for a post hardcore protein DC. I'd recommend Lustrasilk Shea Butter Plus or Queen Helene Cholesterol for after a hardcore protein treatment.
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Girl no, that has hydrolyzed collagen pretty high on the ingredient list. Good for a normal DC, not so good for a post hardcore protein DC. I'd recommend Lustrasilk Shea Butter Plus or Queen Helene Cholesterol for after a hardcore protein treatment.
was just about to suggest the lustrasilk as an option. Cheap and effective.

ETA: For a weekly mild protein treat you could mix the ORS pack and Lustrasilk 50:50. I know some ladies on the board have had success with this mixture.

BTW you may want to check out SistaSlick's articles on regimen building and protein v moisture balance. They are VERY helpful

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Girl no, that has hydrolyzed collagen pretty high on the ingredient list. Good for a normal DC, not so good for a post hardcore protein DC. I'd recommend Lustrasilk Shea Butter Plus or Queen Helene Cholesterol for after a hardcore protein treatment.
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What's bad about hydrolyzed collagen? Is it because of where it comes from? So many people on the forum said they love ORS pak for D.C.? Is it too heavy? I was just at the drug store and looked at various D.C. and I really liked the feel and smell of ORS nourishing conditioner, so I thought the D.C. would be even better.
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Default Re: CAN I DEEP CONDITION, AFTER A HARD PROTEIN TREATMENT?

You better!!! Make sure it's a moisturizing one though.
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Default Re: CAN I DEEP CONDITION, AFTER A HARD PROTEIN TREATMENT?

I'm not sure but I think it's protein. hth and I'm not giving incorrect info.
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Default Re: CAN I DEEP CONDITION, AFTER A HARD PROTEIN TREATMENT?

hydrolyzed collagen is protein.

definition - Collagen is a group of naturally occurring proteins. In nature, it is found exclusively in animals.[1][clarification needed] It is the main protein of connective tissue. It is the most abundant protein in mammals,[2] making up about 25% to 35% of the whole-body protein content.

In muscle tissue it serves as a major component of endomysium. Collagen constitutes 1% to 2% of muscle tissue, and accounts for 6% of the weight of strong, tendinous muscles.[3] Gelatin, which is used in food and industry, is derived from collagen.



the sheabutter plus is a better bet.

and yes. dc after protein is a great idea.....as the other ladies already said.
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OK so I looked at the ingredients of the products mentioned, and they have mineral oil in them which I am not a fan of. I spent about 30 minutes in the BSS and found nothing. Everything that claimed to be a moisturizing treatment had protein or mineral oil in it.
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Default Re: CAN I DEEP CONDITION, AFTER A HARD PROTEIN TREATMENT?

joico intense hydrator?

matrix biolage ultra hydrating balm?
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joico intense hydrator?
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matrix biolage ultra hydrating balm?
Looks interesting - but aren't silk acids protein as well?

Wow I'm just baffled. EVERYTHING seems to have some form of protein. If it's far on the list, is it still OK to use as a moisturizing treatment?!

SistaSlick recommends Kenra MC - but isn't this just a conditioner? The bottle says intensive treatment but not sure...Some women on here said not to DC with a reg conditioner as it won't work. I wish she could chime in right about now?

I need something THICK, DETANGLING with LOTS OF SLIP!

Why is this so hard
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What's bad about hydrolyzed collagen? Is it because of where it comes from? So many people on the forum said they love ORS pak for D.C.? Is it too heavy? I was just at the drug store and looked at various D.C. and I really liked the feel and smell of ORS nourishing conditioner, so I thought the D.C. would be even better.


Hydrolyzed collagen isn't bad, I said no because you don't want to use a protein DC after doing a hardcore protein treatment. I loooove ORS pak but if I used that after my Aphogee 2 Step I'd be in breakage city.
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I think you will be okay with the Matrix biolage intense hydrator or the sallys gvp version. A few of the ladies here like it.
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