Long Testimony: Hydrogen Peroxide 3% for Bacterial Vaginosis Works

[redbone_412]

That sounds awful. I sorry you're having to go through this.

Awww...thank you! Its the worse! So unfair

[The Girl]

DL-

The difference between yeast infection and BV is that yeast is a fungus and grows naturally in the body. Overgrowth of it causes problems. BV is bacteria when not killed by antibiotics can become very dangerous.


OP-

I would very strongly advise you not to home treat a BV infection with a hydrogen peroxide douche. Hydrogen peroxide is not used in most healthcare settings anymore because it can cause skin tissue damage.
The vagina is an area in which it is very easy for bacteria to enter into your bloodstream. If you do not get antibiotics and kill the bacteria you can become septic. This means the infection is rampaging through your bloodstream and it CAN KILL YOU! Just like an untreated sinus infection or kidney infection can. Sepsis is a VERY DANGEROUS thing.
Over time the hydrogen peroxide, along with natural small lacerations in the vagina from sexual intercourse will make the vagina even more susceptable to transmission of the infection into your bloodstream. This is why Nonoxynol 9 is said to make women more susceptible to HIV, it causes irritation, and breakdown of the vaginas walls. The vagina is an area already that is an easy route to the bloodstream. If you already have recurring BV this will be dangerous for you.
I hope you get better and find the solution you seek. But I strongly believe this one could be dangerous. Just because the remedy can alleviate the symptoms does not mean it has killed the bacteria.

Softresses


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Ok I hear what you are saying but I want to ask what you would suggest? Most women with the recurrent BV ae battling with prescription meds that don't work and are leading to antibiotic resistance. Living with "ThunderCat" is so not an option.

[Softresses]

I would suggest isolating the reason the infection keeps returning, following through with antibiotic treatment, and keeping the infection from recurring. Douching, by itself is bad. It kills the good bacteria that your body provides to protect the vagina. To douche with things that cause trauma to the vaginal lining is only, over time going to make matters worse.

It may take throwing out all underclothing worn previously, wearing skirts to allow the area to stay aired and dry, washing clothes in HOT water. Getting rid of all strong soaps and don't do ANY sit down baths. No tampons or scented pads, lotions or sprays should be used. Cool compresses and even using a fan (yeah I know too wild and free) can help to cool any burning discomfort. Stop wearing pantyhose if you do, and chose stockings or the kind of panty hose that have the crotch open. Get rid of all colored panties (dye) and ALL nylon or silk panties and wear white cotton until it clears up. If you are prone to keeping an infection you may need to ALWAYS keep these things in practice.


Your objective is to always keep "her" clean, dry, and cool.


Yogurt, and acidophilus provide live organisms with Bio Flora that help to build up your natural occuring defenses agains intestinal and vaginal microorganisms.

A goud healthy diet can also help by strengthening the body's immune system.


Softresses

[moore.1506]

Thats why I love this site... I have problems with bv too. I think its the guy sometimes cause certian people im good with and some I start acting up.

You laughing but I saw on one site where they said to dilute some tea tre oil and do just that. I think it could work the trick is getting hubby to do it

Since he is your husband maybe you could run him a special bath with the herbs in it and he won't have to know if you don't want to make him put it in a cup lol.

[zora]

I would suggest isolating the reason the infection keeps returning, following through with antibiotic treatment, and keeping the infection from recurring. Douching, by itself is bad. It kills the good bacteria that your body provides to protect the vagina. To douche with things that cause trauma to the vaginal lining is only, over time going to make matters worse.

It may take throwing out all underclothing worn previously, wearing skirts to allow the area to stay aired and dry, washing clothes in HOT water. Getting rid of all strong soaps and don't do ANY sit down baths. No tampons or scented pads, lotions or sprays should be used. Cool compresses and even using a fan (yeah I know too wild and free) can help to cool any burning discomfort.

Yogurt, and acidophilus provide live organisms with Bio Flora that help to build up your natural occuring defenses agains intestinal and vaginal microorganisms.

A goud healthy diet can also help by strengthening the body's immune system.


Softresses

While I appreciate your viewpoint about using hydrogen peroxide, I don't agree with continually using antibiotics until you find the source. Recurrent use of antibiotics can actually aggravate the flora in the vagina. In addition, you may acquire antibiotic resistance. Not to mention if you get pregnant and you're using Flagyl; you're putting your baby at risk for birth defects.

From my understanding, the good bacteria release peroxide to kill the bad bacteria, so all when you use hydrogen peroxide, you're inserting the same substance that's being done naturally. I don't know about the septicemia though. I have to look into it.

But I agree about eating yogurt and taking probiotics.

Other ways I've read to combat BV is to take a sitz bath with ACV or boric acid. Stick a clove of garlic up the vajayjay or to put some yogurt up in there.

Haven't tried any of the above yet. Hopefully, I won't have to, once I change my diet and lifestyle.

[Dogmd]

Hope this answers your question


Utilisation of hydrogen peroxide in the treatment of recurrent bacterial vaginosis.

[Article in English, Italian]

Cardone A, Zarcone R, Borrelli A, Di Cunzolo A, Russo A, Tartaglia E.

1st Obstetric and Gynecologic Clinic, Department of Gynecology, Obstetrics and Neonatology, Second University of Naples, Naples, Italy.

AIM: The authors have evaluated the real efficacy of using hydrogen peroxide for previously treated recurrent bacterial vaginosis that is resistant to other forms of treatment. METHODS: The study included 58 women aged between 18 and 42 years old. Vaginal irrigations with 30 ml of hydrogen peroxide (3%) were prescribed in the evening for a week. The follow-up was carried out 3 months after the end of treatment. RESULTS: The results clearly show that the use of hydrogen peroxide in vagina can eliminate the main symptoms of bacterial vaginosis, and in particular the malodorous leucoxanthorrhea in 89% of cases at 3 months after the end of treatment, a result that is comparable to that obtained using metronidazole or clindamycin as a vaginal cream. Moreover, hydrogen peroxide facilitates the restoration of normal vaginal bacterial flora (represented by H202-producing lactobacillus) in 100% of cases and normal acid pH (pH<4.5) in 98% of cases; it also fosters the disappearance of clue cells from vaginal smears and anaerobic pathogenic flora from vaginal secretions in 100% of cases. The amine test became negative in 97.8% of cases. All results underwent statistical analysis and were found to be statistically significant. CONCLUSION: Hydrogen peroxide represents a valid alternative to conventional treatments for recurrent bacterial vaginosis, and associates the absence of collateral effects with low costs, excellent tolerability and real therapeutic efficacy.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...&dopt=Abstract

awesome info... saving this to use for myself (hoping never to need it, but u never know) and for my animal patients... thanks a lot. I only had one case of this after i had my 2nd child. It was absolutely gross and I took oral anitibiotics for it and used chlortrimazole cream topically. That nasty junk poured out of me like there was a sewer up there. I was pretty freaked out..thought I was gonna die. I thought they had left a sponge or something up inside of me after my delivery, because it smelled like something had died and was trying to go to heaven and take me with it.

[Softresses]

While I appreciate your viewpoint about using hydrogen peroxide, I don't agree with continually using antibiotics until you find the source. Recurrent use of antibiotics can actually aggravate the flora in the vagina. In addition, you may acquire antibiotic resistance. Not to mention if you get pregnant and you're using Flagyl; you're putting your baby at risk for birth defects.

From my understanding, the good bacteria release peroxide to kill the bad bacteria, so all when you use hydrogen peroxide, you're inserting the same substance that's being done naturally. I don't know about the septicemia though. I have to look into it.

But I agree about eating yogurt and taking probiotics.

Other ways I've read to combat BV is to take a sitz bath with ACV or boric acid. Stick a clove of garlic up the vajayjay or to put some yogurt up in there.

Haven't tried any of the above yet. Hopefully, I won't have to, once I change my diet and lifestyle.

Septicemia can kill you. I see it happen.

Hydrogen paroxide damages tissue, and it is not bacteriostatic. Different bacteria have to be killed with certain agents. Let me see you try to kill a Staph bacteria with hydrogen peroxide.

BV is a very real and appropriate problem to use antibiotics for, your fear of antibiotics to cure a real, recurrent infection is misplaced. It is the unwarrented use that one should worry about.

Putting food, with sugars (carbohydrate), and irritants , up the vagina is a lot more dangerous that simply taking your course of antibiotics and using the other methods of deterring infection.




I hope those of you that suffer with this problem find relief. ((((HUGS)))


Softresses

[BillsBackerz67]

DL-

The difference between yeast infection and BV is that yeast is a fungus and grows naturally in the body. Overgrowth of it causes problems. BV is bacteria when not killed by antibiotics can become very dangerous.


OP-

I would very strongly advise you not to home treat a BV infection with a hydrogen peroxide douche. Hydrogen peroxide is not used in most healthcare settings anymore because it can cause skin tissue damage.
The vagina is an area in which it is very easy for bacteria to enter into your bloodstream. If you do not get antibiotics and kill the bacteria you can become septic. This means the infection is rampaging through your bloodstream and it CAN KILL YOU! Just like an untreated sinus infection or kidney infection can. Sepsis is a VERY DANGEROUS thing.
Over time the hydrogen peroxide, along with natural small lacerations in the vagina from sexual intercourse will make the vagina even more susceptable to transmission of the infection into your bloodstream. This is why Nonoxynol 9 is said to make women more susceptible to HIV, it causes irritation, and breakdown of the vaginas walls. The vagina is an area already that is an easy route to the bloodstream. If you already have recurring BV this will be dangerous for you.
I hope you get better and find the solution you seek. But I strongly believe this one could be dangerous. Just because the remedy can alleviate the symptoms does not mean it has killed the bacteria.

Softresses


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ITA....

[Softresses]

Hope this answers your question


Utilisation of hydrogen peroxide in the treatment of recurrent bacterial vaginosis.

[Article in English, Italian]

Cardone A, Zarcone R, Borrelli A, Di Cunzolo A, Russo A, Tartaglia E.

1st Obstetric and Gynecologic Clinic, Department of Gynecology, Obstetrics and Neonatology, Second University of Naples, Naples, Italy.

AIM: The authors have evaluated the real efficacy of using hydrogen peroxide for previously treated recurrent bacterial vaginosis that is resistant to other forms of treatment. METHODS: The study included 58 women aged between 18 and 42 years old. Vaginal irrigations with 30 ml of hydrogen peroxide (3%) were prescribed in the evening for a week. The follow-up was carried out 3 months after the end of treatment. RESULTS: The results clearly show that the use of hydrogen peroxide in vagina can eliminate the main symptoms of bacterial vaginosis, and in particular the malodorous leucoxanthorrhea in 89% of cases at 3 months after the end of treatment, a result that is comparable to that obtained using metronidazole or clindamycin as a vaginal cream. Moreover, hydrogen peroxide facilitates the restoration of normal vaginal bacterial flora (represented by H202-producing lactobacillus) in 100% of cases and normal acid pH (pH<4.5) in 98% of cases; it also fosters the disappearance of clue cells from vaginal smears and anaerobic pathogenic flora from vaginal secretions in 100% of cases. The amine test became negative in 97.8% of cases. All results underwent statistical analysis and were found to be statistically significant. CONCLUSION: Hydrogen peroxide represents a valid alternative to conventional treatments for recurrent bacterial vaginosis, and associates the absence of collateral effects with low costs, excellent tolerability and real therapeutic efficacy.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...&dopt=Abstract

This article is very interesting, what did your Physicain say when you presented the article?

Do the authors of this article have any more studies on the long term effect of using hydrogen peroxide douches on the vaginal wall? Especially repeat use? I do not trust it because of the effects it has on other tissues. Do you have any studies that have been done recently in the U.S?

We do not use it, if we must give douches before procedures we use Betadine, and we don't use it to clean wounds. However the research may have revealed new information. I am gong to do some more research on it too. But I still don't trust it

An old dog is going to do some more research, and, if need be, I can learn new tricks.



Softresses

[seraphinelle]

This article is very interesting, what did your Physicain say when you presented the article?

Do the authors of this article have any more studies on the long term effect of using hydrogen peroxide douches on the vaginal wall? Especially repeat use? I do not trust it because of the effects it has on other tissues. Do you have any studies that have been done recently in the U.S?

Softresses

Agree with everything you've posted in this thread.

For the people that don't like to take antibiotics for whatever reason, I still urge them to go to their gyn to at least narrow down the causes and work towards making it better.

Hydrogen peroxide doesn't just kill bacteria, it's an oxidizing agent, so it damages whatever tissues it touches.

[Softresses]

Agree with everything you've posted in this thread.

For the people that don't like to take antibiotics for whatever reason, I still urge them to go to their gyn to at least narrow down the causes and work towards making it better.

Hydrogen peroxide doesn't just kill bacteria, it's an oxidizing agent, so it damages whatever tissues it touches.

I totally agree, even more than the tissue damage, I worry that someone will use something to soothe the symptoms and end up getting septic because the bacteria has reached the bloodstream.

Once people's symptoms feel better they often think the problem is cured, and it may not be. It could fester and get worse. That is the reason for the ultimate INSISTANCE that people complete the entire course of antibiotics for problems and follow up for repeat studies.

I hate to see those type situations, so I am very cautious about infection.

Softresses

[Softresses]

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[Dogmd]

DL-


OP-

I would very strongly advise you not to home treat a BV infection with a hydrogen peroxide douche. Hydrogen peroxide is not used in most healthcare settings anymore because it can cause skin tissue damage.
The vagina is an area in which it is very easy for bacteria to enter into your bloodstream. If you do not get antibiotics and kill the bacteria you can become septic. This means the infection is rampaging through your bloodstream and it CAN KILL YOU! Just like an untreated sinus infection or kidney infection can. Sepsis is a VERY DANGEROUS thing.
Over time the hydrogen peroxide, along with natural small lacerations in the vagina from sexual intercourse will make the vagina even more susceptable to transmission of the infection into your bloodstream. This is why Nonoxynol 9 is said to make women more susceptible to HIV, it causes irritation, and breakdown of the vaginas walls. The vagina is an area already that is an easy route to the bloodstream. If you already have recurring BV this will be dangerous for you.
I hope you get better and find the solution you seek. But I strongly believe this one could be dangerous. Just because the remedy can alleviate the symptoms does not mean it has killed the bacteria.

Softresses


Edited for spelling

I completely DISAGREE with you.. antibiotics are NOT the cureall of curealls.. You do NOT need antibiotics for every bacterial infection. Unfortunately doctors have been trained to think that way and now you have MRSA running around killing people.

The OP is describing the perfectly HARMLESS use of H202 as an ALTERNATIVE treatment for BV. It is a very safe and very harmless substance at the 3% dilution the OP discussed. I believe a few people may be thinking of the 35% dilution of H202 that is very caustic and burns anything that it touches. I have used H202 extensively as a doctor and understand the chemical reaction that occurs when it is introduced to another substance. Hydrogen peroxide is just water with an extra oxygen. It is the release of that extra molecule of oxygen that kills the bacteria which is a good thing. The only problem is that it kills off ALL bacteria...good and bad... so you definately need to replace the good ones by eating yougurt etc. There is no correlation between douching with H202 and developing septicemia or anything other than an vagina cleared of bacteria which is what the scientific study presented by the OP described clearly.

Hope this clears up any confusion.

FYI... for those of you who are curious about my credentials as doctor.. I have a DVM degree ( Doctor of Veterinary Medicine), and I have been in private practice for 10 1/2 years. I also did a 4 month externship at the CDC in Atlanta in 1996. Not only did I study STD's in humans with an emphasis on Bacterial vaginosis..specifically studying vaginal chlamydia, and trichomonas, but I co-authored and published a paper on it as well.

[Softresses]

I completely DISAGREE with you.. antibiotics are NOT the cureall of curealls.. You do NOT need antibiotics for every bacterial infection. Unfortunately doctors have been trained to think that way and now you have MRSA running around killing people.

The OP is describing the perfectly HARMLESS use of H202 as an ALTERNATIVE treatment for BV. It is a very safe and very harmless substance at the 3% dilution the OP discussed. I believe a few people may be thinking of the 35% dilution of H202 that is very caustic and burns anything that it touches. I have used H202 extensively as a doctor and understand the chemical reaction that occurs when it is introduced to another substance. Hydrogen peroxide is just water with an extra oxygen. It is the release of that extra molecule of oxygen that kills the bacteria which is a good thing. The only problem is that it kills off ALL bacteria...good and bad... so you definately need to replace the good ones by eating yougurt etc. There is no correlation between douching with H202 and developing septicemia or anything other than an vagina cleared of bacteria which is what the scientific study presented by the OP described clearly.

Hope this clears up any confusion.

I am not confused on the subject. I will repeat what I stated as my concern. The repeated use of hydrogen peroxide on the tissues of the vaginal wall for people with repeat BV infection, possible damage of tissues leading to further infection including the bloodstream, home diagnosis of the problem and self medicating to cure it.

Are you somehow telling me that untreated infections cannot lead to sepsis?

The correlation I am refering to with septicemia is the infection that runs rampant because home remedies have failed to cure it, only having masked the symptoms.

I don't know how much research you have done on the subject and if this happens to be your specialty or not. However, do you advise readers to use info off the web to diagnose and cure bacterial infections? Were this the general accepted course of treatment would not her Gyn and the Gyn's of all the other ladies expressing thoughts have at some point been prescribing this treatment?

To say the least I do not think I have given the impression that the only cure for all malady is the almighty antibiotic, no indeed, however, they have their appropriate use. To treat bacterial infection is one of them.


Softresses

[Dogmd]

BTW..H202 is not utilized in human medicine as much as it use to be not because it is dangerous, but because it is DIRT CHEAP and there is NO money to be made from using it. Human medicine is a BIG BUSINESS and you can make a bizzzillion dollars prescribing antibiotics vs telling a patient to go home and be practical and use H202 for an infection as minor as BV.

JMHO

[MariposaSexyGirl]

That is good information.

Something for you to consider:

1. The more probiotics I ingest the healthier I am down there...

2. If you are having sex with SO and you have the BV, then clear up the BV with antibiotics, then have sex with SO again, you can give it back to yourself. I swear men carry and spread everything..

3. Again concerning men. Several girlfriends told me that they get BV nearly faithfully when she and DH have unprotected sex (with...emissions) around the time of her period. They theorize the man juice plus the uterine material sometimes don't agree. I see you are getting it right before your period so I thought I'd mention it.

This is so true. Men are carriers and while you are getting treated he needs to be treated so you both won;t pass it back and forth to each other.Because as long as he goes untreated and you continue to have sex with him you will keep catching it. Men usually don't show symptoms for stuff like this.

[Dogmd]

Are you somehow telling me that untreated infections cannot lead to sepsis?

Softresses

Nope..I wrote that "there is NO correlation between douching with H202 and developing septicemia". see post above. Oh and my credentials are posted above as well.

[Dogmd]

This is so true. Men are carriers and while you are getting treated he needs to be treated so you both won;t pass it back and forth to each other.Because as long as he goes untreated and you continue to have sex with him you will keep catching it. Men usually don't show symptoms for stuff like this.

This is soooo the case..

[Softresses]

Nope..I wrote that "there is NO correlation between douching with H202 and developing septicemia". see post above. Oh and my credentials are posted above as well.

That is where our misunderstanding is.

I am not saying that septicemia results from use of H2O2. What iI am stating is that if infection is not cured, it can get worse, and it can enter the bloodstream.

If there is impaired tissue it will enter easier. If H2(2 is destructive to tissues elsewhere would it not stand to reason that it would be destructive to the delicate, already infected tissues in the vagina. Said tissues being infected would it not be easy for the infection to enter the bloodstream through compromised tissue.

If the infection is treated with home remedies and the infection gets worse, and spreads the unsuspecting person could end up septic, or with endocarditis or a multitude of other problems.


I will require a little more than an internet article to convince me. I would like to research the long term effects on vaginal tissue, if there is no harm to the tissues, and the infection is cured and infection does not spread with this line of treatment I will be very happy for the sufferers of BV.


Softresses

[MariposaSexyGirl]

Thats why I love this site... I have problems with bv too. I think its the guy sometimes cause certian people im good with and some I start acting up.



Since he is your husband maybe you could run him a special bath with the herbs in it and he won't have to know if you don't want to make him put it in a cup lol.

It doesn't work like that with men. The antibiotic has to get in his blood stream. The infection is not in his penis it way back up in there where the prostate and the vas defrens is . Basically the area that produces sperm. That won't reach it. He needs to go get treated and you guys need to wait awhile to let it clear up(two weeks) and go get checked out again.