"Gospel" of Jesus's Wife?

Galadriel

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Karen King, a Harvard Divinity School professor, sparked debate and intrigue in 2012 when she unveiled what was believed to be a centuries-old papyrus fragment that referred to Jesus Christ having a wife.

Now, scientists who analyzed it are saying that the text, known as the “Gospel of Jesus’s Wife,” is more likely to be ancient than a modern forgery, leading King to believe that it is in fact a genuine document.


Despite seemingly agreeing that the papyrus is likely hundreds of years old, the historian has maintained her belief that it does not definitively prove Christ was married.


Instead, she has said the findings show that the fragment is likely part of an ancient manuscript that shows how early Christians discussed sex, marriage and celibacy, among other issues.


King previously told the New York Times that the fragment could indicate that some early Christians believed Christ was married.
“There was, we already know, a controversy in the second century over whether Jesus was married, caught up with a debate about whether Christians should marry and have sex,” she said at the time.


Considering the ramifications for such a claim, the papyrus sparked skepticism, as it was the first time that a supposedly ancient document referred to Jesus, the centerpiece of Christianity, having a wife.


“I took very seriously the comments of such a wide range of people that it might be a forgery,” King told the Times recently. “When you have all the evidence pointing in one direction, it doesn’t make it 100 percent, but history is not a place where 100 percent is a common thing.”
Following intense debate over its authenticity, the “Gospel of Jesus’s Wife” was analyzed by scientists at Columbia University, Harvard University and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, who found that it is similar to other documents from the fourth and eighth centuries, according to the Times.


Using micro-Raman spectroscopy, scientists confirmed that the ink in the document is similar to 35 or 40 other manuscripts they have examined from that same time period.


“The main thing was to see, did somebody doctor this up? And there is absolutely no evidence for that,” Dr. Timothy M. Swager with Massachusetts Institute of Technology’s Center for Materials Science and Engineering told the Times. “It would have been extremely difficult, if not impossible.”
Even if it truly is an ancient text as scientists claim, as King has noted, that finding has no bearing on whether Jesus was truly married. The papyrus dates back hundreds of years after Christ lived and, thus, likely doesn’t constitute a firsthand account of his life.


Additionally, some critics still maintain that the document is a more modern forgery, despite scientists claiming that it likely isn’t. The Harvard Theological Review is publishing King’s paper about the papyrus Thursday along with a separate article rebutting the findings.


The counterargument is being posed by Leo Depuydt, a professor of Egyptology at Brown University. He believes that the document is a fake, has “gross grammatical errors” and that manufacturing such a document wouldn’t be as difficult as some experts have claimed.


TheBlaze extensively analyzed the finding back in September 2012, speaking with Dr. Darrell L. Bock, senior research professor of New Testament studies at Dallas Theological Seminary and author of “Who Is Jesus?
At the time, Bock, who had not physically analyzed the document, said that the “Gospel of Jesus’s Wife” is a small text with no context. The translated text on the papyrus reads:
“‘… not [to] me. My mother gave to me li[fe] …’”
“The disciples said to Jesus, ‘…”
“deny. Mary is worthy of it” (Or: “deny. Mary is n[ot] worthy of it”)
“…’ Jesus said to them, ‘My wife…’”
“… she will be able to be my disciple …”
“Let wicked people swell up …”
“As for me, I dwell with her in order to …”
“an image”
“my moth[er]”
“three”
“forth which …”
With lines of fragmented text, it’s difficult to discern exactly what’s being said in it. Also, without context, there’s no way to tell if, indeed, Jesus had a wife.


Also, while Bock explained that, “we have no way of tracing where it came from,” he also said that it is likely a Gnostic Christian text. This alone provides more context worth examining.


And Religion News Service made the point that this same contention — that Jesus and Mary Magdalene had a romantic relationship — is nothing new in Gnostic theology.


Read all of Bock’s critiques here.
King said the fragment came to light after a private collector emailed her in 2010 and asked for help translating it.
(H/T: New York Times)
 

Galadriel

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Can I participate? As a admitted athiest, I don't want to rub anyone the wrong way.

No problem, Curli. I'm hoping everyone can discuss with respect :yep:. I thought it was an interesting article and decided to share. I have to go pick up DS from school, but I'll return with my thoughts.
 

Galadriel

Well-Known Member
Okay,

Here are my thoughts.

This is what the text says:
“‘… not [to] me. My mother gave to me li[fe] …’”
“The disciples said to Jesus, ‘…”
“deny. Mary is worthy of it” (Or: “deny. Mary is n[ot] worthy of it”)
“…’ Jesus said to them, ‘My wife…’”
“… she will be able to be my disciple …”
“Let wicked people swell up …”
“As for me, I dwell with her in order to …”
“an image”
“my moth[er]”
“three”
“forth which …”
The first obvious thing we notice is that the text is full of fragmented sentences and words. There is no context. This makes it difficult to understand what the text is about and what's being said.

It is not uncommon in the Old and New Testament for God to metaphorically and spiritually refer to His People as His wife or bride:

Jeremiah 3:14 - Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:

Ephesians 5:25 - Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

2 Corinthians 11:2 - For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present [you as] a chaste virgin to Christ.

Revelation 21:2 - And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

So a text that mentions Jesus and His Bride or His Wife is not particularly shocking. This imagery is laced throughout the entire Bible.

Another thing I noticed is that the text in question dates back, in its earliest possible estimate, to the 4th Century. The 4th Century = 300s AD. This also becomes an issue. First, because all the first-hand accounts of Jesus and His teachings are from the 60's AD (Mark) up to the 80's AD (Matthew & Luke), and John and the Book of Revelation mid to late 90's AD.

The Apostolic Fathers, who personally knew the Apostles and were appointed Bishops by the Apostles, are quoting from the New Testament as early as the early 100's AD.

If the text in question was part of Christian teaching or a Christian text, it most likely would've been quoted or orally passed down--but it has not. The fact that the text dates back to 300 years after the Apostles (and if we assume "wife" means an individual woman), it points us in the direction that this text is a Gnostic text--not a Christian one.

Edited to correct the 4th Century reference (300s AD is 4th Century).
 
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JaneBond007

New Member
Fragments are either true or untrue. Newspapers and books today spread false information either on purpose or by mistake. What makes them think some fragment then is the truth? What about the "truths" about the Vatican today that are eventually proven false? Someone has an ulterior motive and it's to destroy.
 

FreeIndeed

Member
It's interesting how these "Da Vinci Code" texts receive overblown attention, while the discovery of ancient manuscript fragments that actually do support Scripture are cataloged quite often, but don't receive nearly the same press.
 
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