Oil users: research on penetrative properties

daaiyah

New Member
For all you hair nerds (like me) who are interested in the how and why of oil penetration and protection of hair strands, I found the following links very interesting. Some of the research covers coconut oil, olive oil, mineral oil, and jojoba. I found it interesting that olive and coconut are both able to penetrate the hair shaft and prevent substantial protein loss. But because they absorb into the hair, heat and time keep them from forming a lasting film on the hair. If you have time read these, I see why so many people love coconut and olive.


http://thebeautybrains.com/2007/05/14/two-natural-oils-that-make-your-hair-shiny-and-strong/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/e...ez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/e...med.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/e...med.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=16258695&dopt=AbstractPlus
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&list_uids=12715094&cmd=Retrieve&indexed=google
 

BrooklynSouth

New Member
For all you hair nerds (like me) who are interested in the how and why of oil penetration and protection of hair strands, I found the following links very interesting. Some of the research covers coconut oil, olive oil, mineral oil, and jojoba. I found it interesting that olive and coconut are both able to penetrate the hair shaft and prevent substantial protein loss. But because they absorb into the hair, heat and time keep them from forming a lasting film on the hair. If you have time read these, I see why so many people love coconut and olive.


http://thebeautybrains.com/2007/05/14/two-natural-oils-that-make-your-hair-shiny-and-strong/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/e...ez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/e...med.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/e...med.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=16258695&dopt=AbstractPlus
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&list_uids=12715094&cmd=Retrieve&indexed=google


Coconut for sure..check the older threads.
 

northernbelle

New Member
The links are very inisightful. They don't take long to read, and are easy to understand. Please read them if you have a minute.

Thank you, daaiyah!
 

Bublin

Well-Known Member
Great info - thanks.

I guess i'm doing something right in using coconut oil. I'll stick with it.
 

Neroli

New Member
Wow, thanks for the great info. I will now look at oils differently and will prolly use them according to what I wish to accomplish for my hair. After reading these article, I think there is a place for the penetrating oils like coconut and olive when you want to nourish and feed oils INSIDE the hair shaft. And a place for non-penetrating oils, like jojoba, sunflower, etc. when you want to seal and protect the hair by creating a lubricating layer on the outside of the hair shaft. IMO:

penetrating oil = nourish the inside of each strand
non-penetrating oil = seal and protect the outside of each strand

For example, I would use a non-penetrating oil like jojoba on my ends to seal and protect, rather than coconut, which will go straight inside the hair but leave the outside unprotected. At least that's how I'm thinking about it now . . .
 

lmjenk67

New Member
OP - thanks for the information!

Neroli - I agree with you about using one oil for the nourishing properties and one for sealing. When I start doing my oil rinses, I;m going to use olive or coconut oil then as the final step use the jojoba to seal my ends.

This is great information. While reading the article, I had a flashback about having great success with overnight treatments with olive oil when I was in high school so I need to go back to doing what worked best for me.:yep:

Wow, thanks for the great info. I will now look at oils differently and will prolly use them according to what I wish to accomplish for my hair. After reading these article, I think there is a place for the penetrating oils like coconut and olive when you want to nourish and feed oils INSIDE the hair shaft. And a place for non-penetrating oils, like jojoba, sunflower, etc. when you want to seal and protect the hair by creating a lubricating layer on the outside of the hair shaft. IMO:

penetrating oil = nourish the inside of each strand
non-penetrating oil = seal and protect the outside of each strand

For example, I would use a non-penetrating oil like jojoba on my ends to seal and protect, rather than coconut, which will go straight inside the hair but leave the outside unprotected. At least that's how I'm thinking about it now . . .
 

Neroli

New Member
Now I haven't read the links yet but where would Castor Oil fit in this mix?

After reading, not sure myself, but would presume that castor is a non-penetrating oil. Right now, the only two oils that are considered truly penetrating, from what I understand, are olive and coconut.

Until further info, I guess we have to assume that all others are non-penetrating . . .
 

Miss*Tress

Well-Known Member
Thanks for the links. Very interesting and informative. Apparently coconut and amla oils are effective at preventing ringworm infections. Link
 

JazzyDez

New Member
so all the talk about jojoba oil being the best oil for your hair is a bunch of bull? :perplexed I have a full 32oz bottle of jojoba oil from tha natural food store on my bathroom counter right now! :wallbash:


ETA: okay I reread all of the links...I guess i will start using the coconot oil for moisture and the jojoba for sealing
 
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Neroli

New Member
so all the talk about jojoba oil being the best oil for your hair is a bunch of bull? :perplexed I have a full 32oz bottle of jojoba oil from tha natural food store on my bathroom counter right now! :wallbash:


I absolutely believe that jojoba is indeed and excellent hair oil! It is equivalent to sebum on scalp and lubricates and protects the hair on the outside hair shaft in same way that your natural sebum does. Natural sebum does not penetrate hair shaft, it protects hair.

Coconut and Olive penetrate, which is good, but IMHO, the non-penetrating oils serve an even greater function by PROTECTING and lubricating the outer layers of the hair. But that's just me . . .

Jojoba and castor have been my staple oils for years now and my hair is the longest and healthiest its ever been and ain't no way I'm throwing them out. :nono:

I very very rarely use olive and coconut cuz they both leave my hair kinda dry -- but I now understand why -- they penetrate! Hello!!!

I can now incorporate them back in my regimen understanding their function and how to use them for maximum benefit. . .

Knowledge is power! Don't throw out stuff that is working just because some new theory or research comes out. Think about it and think about how it's working for YOU before jumping. Cuz once you jump, another thoery will be out there contradicting. :lachen: Jojoba has been my baby's daddy and no experiment out there can dispute my own personal experience that it simply works for me, for years now . . .
 
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ajoyfuljoy

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glad i read this. feeling real salty that all i been using on my hair and body lately was jojoba oil. but that's about to change!
 

JazzyDez

New Member
I absolutely believe that jojoba is indeed and excellent hair oil! It is equivalent to sebum on scalp and lubricates and protects the hair on the outside hair shaft in same way that your natural sebum does. Natural sebum does not penetrate hair shaft, it protects hair.

Coconut and Olive penetrate, which is good, but IMHO, the non-penetrating oils serve an even greater function by PROTECTING and lubricating the outer layers of the hair. But that's just me . . .

Jojoba and castor have been my staple oils for years now and my hair is the longest and healthiest its ever been and ain't no way I'm throwing them out. :nono:

I very very rarely use olive and coconut cuz they both leave my hair kinda dry -- but I now understand why -- they penetrate! Hello!!!

I can now incorporate them back in my regimen understanding their function and how to use them for maximum benefit. . .

Knowledge is power! Don't throw out stuff that is working just because some new theory or research comes out. Think about it and think about how it's working for YOU before jumping. Cuz once you jump, another thoery will be out there contradicting. :lachen: Jojoba has been my baby's daddy and no experiment out there can dispute my own personal experiment that it simply works for me, for years now . . .

I see now. Now I just have to remember to always use jojoba LAST.

But I do have a question, Why would coconut and olive oil leave your hair dry if they penetrate? Olive and coconut usually leave my hair feeling moisturized.

Another thing, if I am using my jojoba last, can I expect to get the full benefit of my (non-cheap) moisturizers the next day? or is it not until wash time?
 

Neroli

New Member
I see now. Now I just have to remember to always use jojoba LAST.

But I do have a question, Why would coconut and olive oil leave your hair dry if they penetrate? Olive and coconut usually leave my hair feeling moisturized.

Another thing, if I am using my jojoba last, can I expect to get the full benefit of my (non-cheap) moisturizers the next day? or is it not until wash time?

Well, you know things work differenly for each of us. I tried olive and coconut early in my hair journey and after a couple times using each, I moved on. They both just seem to disappear on my hair without a trace and since I was using it to seal, it left nothing behind -- I now, just today, get it. They were immediately absorbed/penetrated into my hair shaft leaving nothing behind, which is why the outside of my hair felt dry to the touch, but was prolly well nourish on the inside.

I am now eager to use them to nourish and feed the inside of my hair and will use them as pre-poos, hot oils, in deep condish and leave-ins so that they penetrate inside the hair, and will save other oils for sealing.

I can't wait now to try them now! I will prolly use the extra virgin olive oil I keep the kitchen for healthy eating so, just can't wait till my saturday wash!

I'm not sure I understand your question in bold. But jojoba should not "block" conditioners (or anything else) from penetrating the hair . . .
 

daaiyah

New Member
I see now. Now I just have to remember to always use jojoba LAST.

But I do have a question, Why would coconut and olive oil leave your hair dry if they penetrate? Olive and coconut usually leave my hair feeling moisturized.

Another thing, if I am using my jojoba last, can I expect to get the full benefit of my (non-cheap) moisturizers the next day? or is it not until wash time?

Okay, here's my understanding. Olive, coconut and avocado may leave you dry after a period of time. That's because time and heat remove the film from the scales. So if you oil frequently it shouldn't matter.
And regarding the conditioner, I read something (not sure if it is one of the links) that moisture will still pass through oil coated strands just not as readily as uncoated ones.
 

Candy_C

New Member
For all you hair nerds (like me) who are interested in the how and why of oil penetration and protection of hair strands, I found the following links very interesting. Some of the research covers coconut oil, olive oil, mineral oil, and jojoba. I found it interesting that olive and coconut are both able to penetrate the hair shaft and prevent substantial protein loss. But because they absorb into the hair, heat and time keep them from forming a lasting film on the hair. If you have time read these, I see why so many people love coconut and olive.


http://thebeautybrains.com/2007/05/14/two-natural-oils-that-make-your-hair-shiny-and-strong/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/e...ez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/e...med.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/e...med.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=16258695&dopt=AbstractPlus
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&list_uids=12715094&cmd=Retrieve&indexed=google

I LOVE :love3: COCONUT OIL
 

daaiyah

New Member
Knowledge is power! Don't throw out stuff that is working just because some new theory or research comes out. Think about it and think about how it's working for YOU before jumping. . . .

I agree, sometimes a little information could be what you need to fine tune your routine.
 

Candy_C

New Member
Okay, here's my understanding. Olive, coconut and avocado may leave you dry after a period of time. That's because time and heat remove the film from the scales. So if you oil frequently it shouldn't matter.
And regarding the conditioner, I read something (not sure if it is one of the links) that moisture will still pass through oil coated strands just not as readily as uncoated ones.

i find if i use pure coconut oil on wet hair, and go outside my hair will harden

as soo nas i go indoors the oil melts and my hair becomes soft

i love this concept

as when i go in the club my hair soften

i come out the club, my hair becomes tight curlies again

i lav it!
 

daaiyah

New Member
Wow, thanks for the great info. I will now look at oils differently and will prolly use them according to what I wish to accomplish for my hair. After reading these article, I think there is a place for the penetrating oils like coconut and olive when you want to nourish and feed oils INSIDE the hair shaft. And a place for non-penetrating oils, like jojoba, sunflower, etc. when you want to seal and protect the hair by creating a lubricating layer on the outside of the hair shaft. IMO:

penetrating oil = nourish the inside of each strand
non-penetrating oil = seal and protect the outside of each strand

For example, I would use a non-penetrating oil like jojoba on my ends to seal and protect, rather than coconut, which will go straight inside the hair but leave the outside unprotected. At least that's how I'm thinking about it now . . .

This is an interesting concept. I think I will try this, too.
 

Meli

New Member
This is seriously an important finding....But I have additional questions. How does Amla Oil and Castor Oil measure up? Are they able to penetrate the hair or do they just coat the hair?
 

daaiyah

New Member
This is seriously an important finding....But I have additional questions. How does Amla Oil and Castor Oil measure up? Are they able to penetrate the hair or do they just coat the hair?

The information I found was limited to coconut, olive, mineral, jojoba, avocado, and sunflower. So I don't know how alma and castor measure up. I know that castor oil is also a humectant which means it pulls moisture toward it - if that helps.
 

Neroli

New Member
I agree, sometimes a little information could be what you need to fine tune your routine.

Yep, Yep. And I have you to thank for this wonderful, insightful piece of info that will help me use oils with greater understanding. :yep: Thanks a bunch!!!
 

fluffylocks

New Member
i find if i use pure coconut oil on wet hair, and go outside my hair will harden

as soo nas i go indoors the oil melts and my hair becomes soft

i love this concept

as when i go in the club my hair soften

i come out the club, my hair becomes tight curlies again

i lav it!

Wow i thought i was the only one who experienced this ....

man, everybody said coconut oil is your best friend in the winter time, so that was all i used.....i didnt notice the hardening because i always had my hair in a bun, but one day there was an event, so i flatironed my hair, put my coconut oil, went outside, and it froze up like a brick. I got out my car and shook my head and my hair didnt even move :perplexed I didnt know what was going on. There was even some specks of it on my hair that you could see. Went in the building and it was soft again....crazy. I think i'll keep coconut oil for summer, and olive oil or castor for winter :yep:
 
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