And That Slippery Slope They Said Didn't Exist...

Galadriel

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You went there first with your comment on the march for life, so no gotcha moment here.:lachen:You know throughout history the concept of whom could be married has changed.
what has turned the majority of society against wingers is their ridiculous equating homosexuality with beastiality. I have no dog in this fight it just insults my sense of logic.

Even though Im an Atheist, I don't agree with incest, beastiality, rape, sex trafficking etc

No, marriage has always been between a man and woman, because these are the two ingredients you need to procreate children and raise them in a stable environment.

If indeed, as YOU just said, "throughout history the concept of whom could be married has changed," then maybe it's changing again to include incest, and then it will change to include [immoral group X]. This is the problem when you use flimsy subjective standards.

The only "comparison" I am making is that they are all immoral (homosexuality, three-way marriage, etc.), and they are all being sought for legal recognition and/or acceptance. If you say "Yes" to one illicit union, then you have no moral ground to say, "Wait hold up, No to you and No to you, but yes for gay unions."




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krissyhair

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No, marriage has always been between a man and woman, because these are the two ingredients you need to procreate children and raise them in a stable environment.

If indeed, as YOU just said, "throughout history the concept of whom could be married has changed," then maybe it's changing again to include incest, and then it will change to include [immoral group X]. This is the problem when you use flimsy subjective standards.

The only "comparison" I am making is that they are all immoral (homosexuality, three-way marriage, etc.), and they are all being sought for legal recognition and/or acceptance. If you say "Yes" to one illicit union, then you have no moral ground to say, "Wait hold up, No to you and No to you, but yes for gay unions."

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I was raised by a single father. Very stable household.
 

Galadriel

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I was raised by a single father. Very stable household.

I'm glad your father loved you and raised you. There are many single parents who do the same. However, this does not negate the importance of marriage and why it's recognized in regards to the family.
 

Ivonnovi

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ManBoyLo or what ever Man-Boy-Love is abbreviated as, is already doing a quite push for this pedophilia crap.

As I began to read I was assuming this was the England couple but ....OMG...folks are tolerating that sh!t here in the US too?

The crappiest Bottom line is: "That these fools don't know the risks of having babies outta dis mess? Really!!!!!"
 
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blackviolet

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All different types of families exist not all of which include children. Hetereosexual men are the ones who pose the greatest threat to children and teens of both sexes when it comes to sexual abuse. And that's what incest is.

How homosexuality is equated with this is a really beyond the realm of reality.

Things the bible claims are moral/illegal/ immoral & told to a bunch of illiterate sheep herders 3000 ye a rs ago are no longer taken seriously today.

Modern society should have laws to protect & care for it's citizens Especially the most vulnerable.
That being said, do I detect a whiff of political distraction? has there been an outbreak of this behavior or just a smattering of perverts doing this?

Seems like cynical ploy to get the base riled up over a rare occurence and distract from what the Legislature is really doing.
 
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Galadriel

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All different types of families exist not all of which include children.

How does that negate what I just said? For thousands of years, marriage has been an institution that joined a man and a woman who would bind their lives together and bring forth children. Do broken families exist? Sure, but that situation is not something to be coveted.

Hetereosexual men are the ones who pose the greatest threat to children and teens of both sexes when it comes to sexual abuse. And that's what incest is.

Incest often has the component of sexual abuse but adult incest does not always involve abuse. However, my argument is not who is a greater or lesser predator, but that people seeking validation, acceptance, and/or legal recognition of an IMMORAL and DISORDERED union can more easily do so because the door has been opened.

How homosexuality is equated with this is a really beyond the realm of reality.

See above point.

Things the bible claims are moral/illegal/ immoral & told to a bunch of illiterate sheep herders 3000 ye a rs ago are no longer taken seriously today.

When in doubt, ad hominem.

The Bible, just as a piece of literature, is a very fine work with many authors spanning over centuries, filled with history, poetry, letters, didactics, the Gospels, etc. As a religious work, it is not only a profound book, but the Word of God. Many outstanding, creative, sharp-thinking and amazing statesmen, scientists, artists, poets, writers, teachers, etc. throughout Western civilization have been influenced by the Bible. If I'm not mistaken, it is the most widely printed book, and continues to be read and studied by over a billion people.

But aside from that, marriage being between a man and woman is also discernible through Natural Law. Biologically, male and female have sexual intercourse and sometimes the result is conception. This is how sexual reproduction occurs. When a man and woman enter into a unique relationship, where they pledge to unite themselves, their goods and their lives, and are open to any children resulting from their union, this is recognized as marriage. And this can only be entered into by a man and woman--not two men, not two women, not a man and two women, etc.

Once you dismantle this, and say, "Anyone who wants to marry who they love should be able to do so, because it's their right," then that NEW standard that you've just rooted for now includes other couplings. If marriage can now be two men, why not the (crazy) incest couple? What if the incest couple is two consenting adults? Isn't that the only standard you have nowadays? "As long as it's two consenting adults, it's okay"? If that is the case, then why be morally or legally against incest?

Once you tinker with the definition of marriage, it opens the floodgate. I already provided earlier the story of the three-way marriage in Brazil. Now this insane incest story.

If your argument is "Marriage should no longer be between a man and woman," you've just deconstructed any ground to stand on when you say, "NO, I don't think [ ] couples should legally marry."

Modern society should have laws to protect & care for it's citizens Especially the most vulnerable.

Quite ironic you should say this, since abortion is legal.
 

blackviolet

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A group of cells have no rights, a fetus doesn't either although your side is trying desperately to pervert that.
If the country did what right to lifers want, pregnant womens constitutional rights usurped by what you want law to determine is a life with rights greater than any other citizen.

The reason for every marriage is not procreation, love exists and is celebrated without the inclusion of children.

Wealthy women will always have the means to obtain abortions, this will only affect the poor which is the purpose of restricting abortion; control of women's reproduction and their lives.

As others have stated incest has been with the human race as long as it's existed, what once was accepted as a societal norm, can then be determined by society to be illegal.

Brazil had 1 case, was that even granted? Even if it is/was that's Brazil, they were outraged, so would the US be.

Once again to equate same sex marriage with every grouping humanly possible is
outrageous.

One two or a few cases wiil not result in what you are trying to portray will happen.
To your other point; as a work of literature the bible has it's place, when it is used as a blunt

instrument to force it's arcane philosophy onto those societies that have advanced beyond

it's outmoded strictures is when it should be disregarded.

This is the same book that had it followers believing in magic and persecuting scientist.

I hear believers say the bible is the word of god which shows how psychotic, brutal, and blood thirsty a being that is, but ultimately is but one god amongst the 3000 or so man created to comfort himself that he is not alone in the universe and that randomness has a reason.

The bible has a biilion readers? Pornography has billions more so what's your point?
 
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Galadriel

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I'm not interested in going down a rabbit hole and trying to answer your tirade point-by-point, especially since most of it consists of spouting attacks against God, the Bible, and Christianity.

As I said, if you change the definition of marriage and say any union can make a marriage, then indeed, other "alternative" unions will indeed step forward for recognition.



A group of cells have no rights, a fetus doesn't either although your side is trying desperately to pervert that.
If the country did what right to lifers want, pregnant womens constitutional rights usurped by what you want law to determine is a life with rights greater than any other citizen.

Wealthy women will always have the means to obtain abortions, this will only affect the poor which is the purpose of restricting abortion; control of women's reproduction and their lives.

As others have stated incest has been with the human race as long as it's existed, what once was accepted as a societal norm, can then be determined by society to be illegal.

It's called progress. Once again to equate same sex marriage with every grouping humanly possible demonstrates a lack of critical thinking.

Where's the demand for those fantasy marriages you described? One two or a few cases wiil not result in what you are trying to portray will happen.
To your other point; as a work of literature the bible has it's place, when it is used as a blunt instrument to force it's arcane philosophy onto those societies that have advanced beyond it's outmoded strictures is when it should be disregarded.

This is the same book that had it followers believing in magic and persecuting scientist.

I hear believers say the bible is the word of god which shows how psychotic, brutal, and blood thirsty a being that is, but ultimately is but one god amongst the 3000 or so man created to comfort himself that he is not alone in the universe and that randomness has a reason.
 

blackviolet

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Yeah well that's what I expected. instead of addressing the points I made, as I did yours throughout this strange journey through the alternate reality of the rightwing mindset.

One more time; same sex marriage is NOT the same as any sexual partnering your mind can conceive of, marriage is not exclusively for the production of children.

Wow you christians certainly are easily offended, this was a mild critique.

Anyway I'm out.
 
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Poohbear

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Thank you. This is what I was hinting at when I said journalistic liberty. But comparing this type of behavior to same sex relationships seemed even more absurd to me.

My personal beliefs on whether same sex relationships are sinful is beside the point.

What is on point is that this strange, predatory pairing in the article in the original post has nothing to do with same-sex relationships.



Yeah well that's what I expected. instead of addressing the points I made, as I did yours throughout this strange journey through the alternate reality of the rightwing mindset.

One more time; same sex marriage is NOT the same as any sexual partnering your mind can conceive of, marriage is not exclusively for the production of children.

Wow you christians certainly are easily offended, this was a mild critique.

Anyway I'm out.

krissyhair - your belief that homosexuality is not sexually immoral is beyond absurd to me. Also your belief does matter in light of this discussion. You keep throwing darts at my comment so I'm trying to understand why, but now I see... you believe homosexuality is okay and I do not.

blackviolet and krissyhair - Pedophilia and Homosexuality are not literally the same as far as the nature of these two type of relationships. However, they are just both sexually immoral according to the Holy Bible. A sin is a sin. Fornication among heterosexuals goes right along with being sexually immoral. This should not be offensive to anyone if you are a Bible believer.

I have not seen any Christian get offended in this thread except those who are okay with homosexuality.
 

JaneBond007

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There are different beliefs and teachings, certainly. In catholicism, the family unit/marriage and children are held very high. When we marry, we are to be absolutely open to children, unheeded artificially. This varies greatly from protestants. Of course, two people who cannot have children can marry, absolutely. But marriage isn't just for couples, it's for family. We have a bigger picture of it. So, to say that marriage isn't solely for children depends upon your religion.
 

Shimmie

"God is the Only Truth -- Period"
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Well, let's unpack this and determine how the relationship in the article/original post and a typical, same-sex relationship are different.

Are the two people involved consenting, non-blood related adults?

Do the two partners relate in a way that does not suggest that one partner is preying on the other?

Do the partners have a sexual preference for each other that occurs in an estimated 10% or more of the human population?

Is their relationship generally accepted by society as a whole?

If you answered differently to these questions for the people in the article than you would for a same sex couple, then they're different.

Wrong is still wrong, no matter what category , it's still wrong. As far as today's society goes, they want zero accountability no matter how misconstrued a lifestyle is.
 

Shimmie

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@krissyhair - your belief that homosexuality is not sexually immoral is beyond absurd to me. Also your belief does matter in light of this discussion. You keep throwing darts at my comment so I'm trying to understand why, but now I see... you believe homosexuality is okay and I do not.

@blackviolet and @krissyhair -

Pedophilia and Homosexuality are not literally the same as far as the nature of these two type of relationships.

However, they are just both sexually immoral according to the Holy Bible. A sin is a sin. Fornication among heterosexuals goes right along with being sexually immoral. This should not be offensive to anyone if you are a Bible believer.

I have not seen any Christian get offended in this thread except those who are okay with homosexuality.

You know what? They are actually connected. The majority of pedophilia acts are homosexual. Grown men molesting young boys. This is the number one reason why these boys grow up sexually confused and THINK that they are homosexual.

They were introduced to sex by a man. Pedophiles prey on young boys especially boys at the age of puberty when boys are experiencing sexual awakenings and here comes a nasty foul pervert who introduces them to sex throwing their perception of it completely out of the natural order.

Story after story you will here of young boys who were molested by an uncle, an older male cousin, a perverted neighbor -- :nono: :nono: :nono: It messes the lives up for these young children.
 

Shimmie

"God is the Only Truth -- Period"
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A group of cells have no rights, a fetus doesn't either although your side is trying desperately to pervert that.

We're all a group of cells and we all have rights; both within and outside of the womb. An embryo and a fetus is how we began. What's truly perverted is that there are some who dehumanized the beginning of life.

Human development is in stages. No one is born as an adult. If an embryo or a fetus were not human, you among all would not exist. A baby in the womb, is more than a group of cells, they are human life and nothing can change that.
 

krissyhair

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@krissyhair - your belief that homosexuality is not sexually immoral is beyond absurd to me. Also your belief does matter in light of this discussion. You keep throwing darts at my comment so I'm trying to understand why, but now I see... you believe homosexuality is okay and I do not.

I didn't tell you my belief. Maybe I might have posted it somewhere on this forum in the 18 months I've been a member. But I don't think it's possible that you could have learned what I believe on the internet or through LHCF.
 

krissyhair

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We're all a group of cells and we all have rights; both within and outside of the womb. An embryo and a fetus is how we began. What's truly perverted is that there are some who dehumanized the beginning of life.

Human development is in stages. No one is born as an adult. If an embryo or a fetus were not human, you among all would not exist. A baby in the womb, is more than a group of cells, they are human life and nothing can change that.

I believe whole heartedly that you are right, a zygote, embryo, fetus are all the beginning of human life. But blackviolet is right in a literal sense. Common law has never recognized unborn children, viable or still dependent as having the rights as human beings.

I do have a problem with that language, because obviously a group of cells is a being, and it is human. But i think the bad language is to mean that it's not a full person with full human rights. This is going back hundreds of years, in law heavily influenced by Christianity.

There is no murder in relation to unborn children. There's feticide, and therapeutic abortion, but not murder.
 

blackviolet

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I never said a fetus wasn't human, I said it currently doesn't have any rights, never did, and shoudn't. My statement stands, it's a perversion of law to grant special rights to a zygote, group of cells, fetus etc. krissyhair thanks hon, you expressed more cogently than I did, appreciate it.
 

Shimmie

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I never said a fetus wasn't human, I said it currently doesn't have any rights, never did, and shoudn't. My statement stands, it's a perversion of law to grant special rights to a zygote, group of cells, fetus etc. @krissyhair thanks hon, you expressed more cogently than I did, appreciate it.

If the fetus is human (which indeed a fetus and a zygote is) then indeed it has rights, the same human rights to life as any human outside of the womb.

Not only do I stand by what I've said, the cycle of life does and even more God does who is the originator of all life. It doesn't matter whether you choose to believe or not; accept it or not, it doesn't change the Truth from being what it is, which is the Truth.

Thanking krissyhair won't save your soul, let alone disprove the life God has give to each of us along with the right to life which begins with Him and within the womb.
 

blackviolet

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You know what? They are actually connected. The majority of pedophilia acts are homosexual. Grown men molesting young boys. This is the number one reason why these boys grow up sexually confused and THINK that they are homosexual.

They were introduced to sex by a man. Pedophiles prey on young boys especially boys at the age of puberty when boys are experiencing sexual awakenings and here comes a nasty foul pervert who introduces them to sex throwing their perception of it completely out of the natural order.

Story after story you will here of young boys who were molested by an uncle, an older male cousin, a perverted neighbor -- :nono: :nono: :nono: It messes the lives up for these young children.[/QUOTE

And those men were not homosexual but hetereosexual men sexually attracted to children. These men are not attracted to other men and desire to have sex love, and marriage with other men; no they are in fact repulsed by gay men.

These are pedophiles, stop equating them with homosexuals.
 

Shimmie

"God is the Only Truth -- Period"
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I believe whole heartedly that you are right, a zygote, embryo, fetus are all the beginning of human life. But @blackviolet is right in a literal sense. Common law has never recognized unborn children, viable or still dependent as having the rights as human beings.

I do have a problem with that language, because obviously a group of cells is a being, and it is human. But i think the bad language is to mean that it's not a full person with full human rights. This is going back hundreds of years, in law heavily influenced by Christianity.

There is no murder in relation to unborn children. There's feticide, and therapeutic abortion, but not murder.

Both of these procedures (processes) which are willfully performed by another human being is 'taking the life' of a child be they unborn (still developing in the womb) or born (which is living outside of the womb).

To take a life is to kill and to take it willfully without mercy and with the attitude of 'entitlement' upon an innocent life such as that of a baby is murder. To dress it up with scientific wording doesn't change what it truly is.

Society simply does not want to take accountability for doing things that are wrong. In turn they make up excuses which are invalid. They put terms on these procedures to dispel a bad conscience, even more to subdue or to actually abort the conviction of wrong doing; all to repel a heart of contrition.

To willfully take the life of an innocent baby, this baby's right to life which God has given them, is indeed murder. No matter what 'dressings' one puts upon it to validate the crime, that's what it is.
 

blackviolet

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Really? In which court of law does the rights of cells, fetus, etc supercede those of the being whose body it resides in?

My non participation in your personal belief should stay that way...........personal since you'all believe you have personal relationship with that being, correct?

Well, I don't, not remotely interested and would reject it if offered, know this though the
being you serve has NOcontrol/effect in or over my life none. TRUST THAT

You call it truth, I call it mass hysteria and delusion, don't flatter the being you worship that it has any power whatsoever over me. You just don't want it to be true do ya.

You know, I don't understand th c hristian mindset and I was raised one.Seems you'all just can't enjoy paradise and all the glories and good things you claim are coming your way unless those heathen non believers are suffering, so unchristlike huh. PEACE

As to the existence of souls and whether I possess one or not, if I do I wilI chose what to do with it .
 
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blackviolet

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Where are doctors which I 'm guessing you're referring to, murdering children or newborns? Please don't refer to the disproven propaganda of the right to life movement.
 

krissyhair

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Both of these procedures (processes) which are willfully performed by another human being is 'taking the life' of a child be they unborn (still developing in the womb) or born (which is living outside of the womb).

To take a life is to kill and to take it willfully without mercy and with the attitude of 'entitlement' upon an innocent life such as that of a baby is murder. To dress it up with scientific wording doesn't change what it truly is.

Society simply does not want to take accountability for doing things that are wrong. In turn they make up excuses which are invalid. They put terms on these procedures to dispel a bad conscience, even more to subdue or to actually abort the conviction of wrong doing; all to repel a heart of contrition.

To willfully take the life of an innocent baby, this baby's right to life which God has given them, is indeed murder. No matter what 'dressings' one puts upon it to validate the crime, that's what it is.

Believe it or not, I'm enjoying this conversation a lot, and not in a sadistic internet troll kind of way. Everything everyone has said is very interesting.

Now, I wasn't dressing up the language. I was saying the history word for word, trying to be as careful and literal as possible.
 

Shimmie

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And those men were not homosexual but hetereosexual men sexually attracted to children. These men are not attracted to other men and desire to have sex love, and marriage with other men; no they are in fact repulsed by gay men.

These are pedophiles, stop equating them with homosexuals.

If a male pedophile is having sex with a male child, he is having homosexual sex because he has homosexual attractions. There is no way to clean this up nor to defend it.

Let me clear something up before I get misquoted. I did not say that 'ALL' homosexuals are pedophiles, nor will I ever say it. I know that it is not true. However, if a male has sex with another male he is a homosexual and if it is an adult male having sex with a child he is indeed a homosexual pedophile.
 

Shimmie

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Where are doctors which I 'm guessing you're referring to, murdering children or newborns? Please don't refer to the disproven propaganda of the right to life movement.

You want proof?

You're here. That is more than proof enough. You were given the right to live within and outside of your mother's womb which is the evidence of that right which God has so freely given. You are the living proof; you being here in this earth, living and breathing.

You are indeed the proof that all baby's have the right to life. There are no exemptions outside of natural causes that one humanly could not control.
 
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