 |

06-30-2012, 08:23 PM
|
 |
Member
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lusaka, Zambia
Posts: 580
Thanks: 2,889
Thanked 2,095 Times in 354 Posts
Mentioned: 26 Post(s)
Tagged: 4 Thread(s)
|
|
It's Just Hair Isn't It? South African Doc sparks weave vs natural hair debate.
3 rd Degree | It is just hair isn't it?
Part One
Part Two
Part Three
3rd degree makes waves over weaves
June 29 2012 at 07:15am
By Esther Lewis
Comment on this story
 INDEPENDENT NEWSPAPERS
Theo Lethobane gets her hair braided at a stall at Cape Town station. Picture: Thomas Holder
Cape Town - Investigative television programme 3rd Degree has people questioning the motive behind its investigation into ethnic hair.
People on Twitter and women in salons on the station deck have been discussing the programme, which was aired on Tuesday evening.
In it, 3rd Degree’s Debora Patta looked into the world of weave versus natural hair.
Introducing the topic, Patta the described the issue as contentious and said it was “about race, Western versus African ideals”.
Patta featured TV presenter and poet Lebo Mashile and self-proclaimed weave queen Bonang Matheba on opposite ends of the debate.
Even before the show aired, people took issue with the content.
 Debora Patta. Picture: Bongiwe Mchunu
INLSA
Many questioned why, in the midst of other serious issues, Patta would “investigate” this particular topic.
Mabine Seabe tweeted: “Debora Patta, eTV, and 3rd Degree MUST issue an apology for subjecting South Africa to nonsense masquerading as investigative journalism.”
But Patta said topics they chose for the show were always varied and that the show was about black women, identity and the understanding of beauty.
Theo Lethobane, getting her hair done at a Cape Town station salon, said she was not trying to be white by wearing a weave. “I’m just trying to look beautiful,” she said.
Lethobane said that she often wore her hair naturally, and put in extensions once a month.
Salon owner Ethel Shelove said more people preferred to keep their hair natural.
Many who wore weaves said they did so because they wanted variety and to keep their men happy.
Shelove said her customer base was not only black women and that many white and coloured women also had their hair done.
Some tweeters felt that white people shouldn’t deal with the topic.
@ Thandoza tweeted: “Not sure if white ppl shd touch that subject.”
However, Patta said she was “infinitely acquainted with black hair”.
Patta said her daughter had black hair, and topics like afro combs to relaxers had come up.
“The fact that so many people are talking about it, shows that it struck a cord,” said Patta.
She felt that the response was not unusual. There was discussion around the show each week.
Some managed to see the light side.
Comedian and afro sporting Marc Lottering tweeted: “3rd Degree! Who knew hair would cause such a thing in SA?! Up until today I thought a blow was a good career move. I’m learning I’m learning!” - Cape Argus
Link
Last edited by ZedianChic; 07-01-2012 at 09:17 AM.
|

06-30-2012, 08:38 PM
|
 |
Member
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,625
Thanks: 12,928
Thanked 8,351 Times in 1,253 Posts
Mentioned: 180 Post(s)
Tagged: 24 Thread(s)
|
|
Re: It's Just Hair Isn't It? South African Doc sparks weave vs natural hair debate.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZedianChic
However, Patta said she was “infinitely acquainted with black hair”. Patta said her daughter had black hair, and topics like afro combs to relaxers had come up.
|
WTH is this BS?
__________________
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." ~ Mohandas K. Gandhi ~
|
|
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to PJaye For This Useful Post:
|
|

06-30-2012, 09:47 PM
|
 |
Member
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 123
Thanks: 24
Thanked 172 Times in 57 Posts
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 3 Thread(s)
|
|
Re: It's Just Hair Isn't It? South African Doc sparks weave vs natural hair debate.
Just...
|

06-30-2012, 10:10 PM
|
 |
Member
|
|
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 2,080
Thanks: 5,122
Thanked 5,955 Times in 1,341 Posts
Mentioned: 328 Post(s)
Tagged: 51 Thread(s)
|
|
Re: It's Just Hair Isn't It? South African Doc sparks weave vs natural hair debate.
 .........
__________________
. Disregard everything, acquire esthetics 
|

06-30-2012, 10:38 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: In Serenity
Posts: 8,306
Thanks: 31,161
Thanked 20,776 Times in 4,090 Posts
Mentioned: 319 Post(s)
Tagged: 32 Thread(s)
|
|
Re: It's Just Hair Isn't It? South African Doc sparks weave vs natural hair debate.
Interesting piece. I enjoyed watching it  . No different then other documentaries and talks about hair, but still it was interesting to watch a perception outside of US.
__________________
Goal 1: BSL June 2013 14"
Goal 2: MBL Dec 2013 17"
I am reaching BSL come hell or high waters so I can be swangin by summa time 
Visualizing: long braidout at the beach
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to RegaLady For This Useful Post:
|
|

06-30-2012, 10:42 PM
|
 |
Member
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Tampa, Fl
Posts: 5,628
Thanks: 2,187
Thanked 1,000 Times in 265 Posts
Mentioned: 27 Post(s)
Tagged: 9 Thread(s)
|
|
Re: It's Just Hair Isn't It? South African Doc sparks weave vs natural hair debate.
Quote:
Originally Posted by bosswitch
 .........
|
I'm right there with you. You know this thread is gonna go downhill and quick...
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to caribeandiva For This Useful Post:
|
|

06-30-2012, 10:49 PM
|
 |
Member
|
|
Join Date: May 2009
Location: New York
Posts: 14,245
Thanks: 52,850
Thanked 34,863 Times in 7,090 Posts
Mentioned: 471 Post(s)
Tagged: 87 Thread(s)
|
|
Re: It's Just Hair Isn't It? South African Doc sparks weave vs natural hair debate.
Major eye roll. Attention seeker. What a surprise. Typical.
__________________
“Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” ~Einstein Current Regimen: Wet hair, apply JBCO, Braid, Sleep on it, wear braid out.
|

06-30-2012, 11:03 PM
|
 |
Member
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 7,030
Thanks: 9,179
Thanked 12,615 Times in 3,202 Posts
Mentioned: 292 Post(s)
Tagged: 16 Thread(s)
|
|
Re: It's Just Hair Isn't It? South African Doc sparks weave vs natural hair debate.
Have I ever seen an investigative report or even a movie on white women wearing wigs or dying their hair or people with curly hair making their hair straight ...trying to look less Jewish or whatever their ethnicity.
The hatred and disdain for black women is palpable from all....
__________________
" When I feed the poor they called me a saint.When I asked why are they poor, they called me a communist" --Dom H Camara "We want your taxes not your CHARITY"-Adel10
Last edited by Adel10; 06-30-2012 at 11:13 PM.
|
|
The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to Adel10 For This Useful Post:
|
|

06-30-2012, 11:11 PM
|
 |
Member
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: NYC
Posts: 2,303
Thanks: 1,193
Thanked 2,172 Times in 450 Posts
Mentioned: 67 Post(s)
Tagged: 6 Thread(s)
|
|
Re: It's Just Hair Isn't It? South African Doc sparks weave vs natural hair debate.
I'm sure her "findings" are inaccurate and skewed since its impossible for her to fully understand our hair, culture, etc etc.
She's a typical ww though, sticking her long nose into our affairs and telling [I]us[I] how we should feel about things in our community.
|
|
The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to beana For This Useful Post:
|
|

06-30-2012, 11:38 PM
|
 |
Ghetto Adjacent Diva
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Where They Don't Throw Hot Irons
Posts: 5,541
Thanks: 19,160
Thanked 23,460 Times in 4,222 Posts
Mentioned: 500 Post(s)
Tagged: 56 Thread(s)
|
|
Re: It's Just Hair Isn't It? South African Doc sparks weave vs natural hair debate.
I have to wonder...will we ever escape from this?? Will we ever be in a place where everything we do and say isn't examined, and discussed to the n'th degree? Can we just be in a place where we style our hair in a way that pleases us, and not have to worry about how that style is seen?
I'm natural. That doesn't mean I'm trying to reclaim a lost heritage.
I'm texturized/texlaxed/relaxed. That doesn't mean that I'm ashamed of my African heritage. It doesn't mean I'm ashamed of the hair that grows out of my head.
Ii feel like its too easy to pin weaves, wigs, and relaxers on race. I think it's now WP looking for absolution. If they can point out what they did in the past, they can apologize and "give us their blessings" to be ourselves....even though we already ARE ourselves. They can then throw up their hands and say "It's not us anymore! We WANT ou to look "natural"! Racism is a myth!"...and we all know that's BS. This isn't to say that there aren't people who wig/weave/relax for reasons with racial motivators...but I feel they are the vast minority. No matter how you slice it, im Black. Even with a blond weave, blue contacts, and white foundation..i am Black! And if I'm black, that means there is no being "not as black as"...because I'm Black! That's it!
I think this is just another example of hegemony....and I don't need Anyone telling me what I need to look like to be my most authentic self.
__________________
WL 2013 Challenge - APL 3b/c frizzy curls
Workin for WHiP Length!!
|
|
The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to MrsJaiDiva For This Useful Post:
|
|

07-01-2012, 01:58 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Bessemer, Alabama
Posts: 370
Thanks: 365
Thanked 821 Times in 202 Posts
Mentioned: 38 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
|
|
Re: It's Just Hair Isn't It? South African Doc sparks weave vs natural hair debate.
I'm gettin bout tired of this *bleep*.
|
|
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to MsDes For This Useful Post:
|
|

07-01-2012, 02:50 AM
|
 |
Member
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Shangri-La
Posts: 1,168
Thanks: 623
Thanked 1,721 Times in 645 Posts
Mentioned: 86 Post(s)
Tagged: 6 Thread(s)
|
|
A lot of people in the world need a scapegoat, someone to point at, ridicule or just to feel they with all their issues; are better than. BW are filling in that gap and unless we fight it and refuse to play victim it will continue till some better scapegoat comes along. It's a shame BM are not vocal and decisive about speaking out against the way their BW are treated because when the men in a group stand together, defend their womenfolk and make it clear disrespect will not be tolerated most people back off. But BW are exposed & vulnerable as a collective so it's free for all.
Last edited by Maguerite; 07-01-2012 at 02:53 AM.
|
|
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Maguerite For This Useful Post:
|
|

07-01-2012, 08:05 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 7,586
Thanks: 19,834
Thanked 29,473 Times in 5,288 Posts
Mentioned: 749 Post(s)
Tagged: 16 Thread(s)
|
|
Re: It's Just Hair Isn't It? South African Doc sparks weave vs natural hair debate.
@ AnointedandAmazing
We don't have to be exposed or vulnerable or wait for black men. One of the reasons this continues is because a large number of black women participate in it. We should be able to do whatever the hell we want with our hair regardless of our reasons and be left alone. Where is the dissecting of white women's blonde obsession? Asian women's eye fold surgeries? We all know about it, but they refuse to make it a central part of their identity. Some black women are just excited to be getting attention they don't care what it comes with.
|
|
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Ogoma For This Useful Post:
|
|

07-01-2012, 08:16 AM
|
 |
Member
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Arizona
Posts: 1,059
Thanks: 1,804
Thanked 1,234 Times in 621 Posts
Mentioned: 62 Post(s)
Tagged: 9 Thread(s)
|
|
Re: It's Just Hair Isn't It? South African Doc sparks weave vs natural hair debate.
I will watch this and see what it is about.
|

07-02-2012, 04:58 PM
|
 |
Member
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Shangri-La
Posts: 1,168
Thanks: 623
Thanked 1,721 Times in 645 Posts
Mentioned: 86 Post(s)
Tagged: 6 Thread(s)
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Ogoma
@ AnointedandAmazing
We don't have to be exposed or vulnerable or wait for black men. One of the reasons this continues is because a large number of black women participate in it. We should be able to do whatever the hell we want with our hair regardless of our reasons and be left alone. Where is the dissecting of white women's blonde obsession? Asian women's eye fold surgeries? We all know about it, but they refuse to make it a central part of their identity. Some black women are just excited to be getting attention they don't care what it comes with.
|
Sorry but this is the way it works in the real world. Yep we can go on all day about the strong-no man needing- super BW while the unmarried rate remains high, the OOW rates are out of control and because they are given a pass no one is holding absent Black fathers accountable. It has long been a trueism that the men of any group fight for & protect the women & kids jn the group; it's more subtly done in modern times but holds just much water today. This is why missing black girls are ignored & rappers bash BW without consequences, among other ills. No other group is bashed as often or cruelly as BW & though each group has issues which sometimes make headlines, none are quite in the same boat or truly share the same experiences & challenges as BW.
The usual derailing argument runs along the lines of 'well other BW do/say it too' or 'well White people also do such & such too' or 'well my life/friends/family are great so i have no idea what you're on about'.
The facts & reality remain the same and I for one do not shy away or make excuses for the social norms & trends before my eyes.
|
|
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Maguerite For This Useful Post:
|
|
 |
| Thread Tools |
|
|
| Display Modes |
Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
|