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Old 04-11-2012, 08:42 AM
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Hello Ladies,

I thought it would be useful for everyone struggling with their natural hair to come in here and get some support and help. That way, everyone, natural or relaxed, can chime in.

The intent is not to encourage anyone to go natural/go relaxed... Intent is to help you accomplish what YOU want with your hair.

If you have issues you are struggling with.. Please share...

Hair profile? E.g 4B, really fine strands, density..

Reggie and products? E.g wash and DC weekly with X, Y, and Z products

How do you style your hair? E.g I wear it out, or bun etc

What problems do you have with your hair?
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I think this is a wonderful idea. I had created a thread awhile back when I initially bc'd and was struggling and I got so much help from the fantastic ladies here.
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Hair profile?
4A/B, tight pen spring like coils, fine strands, APL/BSB, high density and major shrinkage

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Regimen: Wash, condition, and detangle once every 2-4 weeks.
Shampoos: Elasta QP Creme Conditioning, Shea Moisture Raw Shea Butter Retention
Conditioners: LustraSilk Shea Butter Cholesterol, Mane N Tail, Suave Tropical Coconut
Products for natural styles: Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie or Shea Moisture Curl & Style Hair Milk
Products for straightened natural hair: Fantasia ic Heat Protector Serum

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I alternate between these styles mainly: twistouts, two strand twists, and flat ironed straight. I really wish I could stick with two-strand twists long term in order to retain length like a lot of ladies I've seen here with a similar hair type as mine (ie. MsLala, Sammie7, LovelyNaps26, and a few more ladies that I cannot think of right now). I really want waist length hair one day.

What problems do you have with your hair?
Horrible matting and tangles when washing and split ends...

However, I believe I have found a solution to my problems. For the matting and tangles, I need to start putting my hair in sections before washing my hair in the shower. I sometimes think I can get away with washing my hair all in one section out of laziness, but if I need to start being more diligent with my hair care. For split ends, I have started using serum instead of grease to flat iron, and I am also combing through and smoothing my ends before flat ironing each section of hair. I'm also more gentle with my hair when blowdrying.
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Old 04-11-2012, 09:33 AM
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@Poohbear

Glad you are figuring it out.

About the matting, washing and detangling in sections is d way to go... with my natural hair texture.. i couldnt dare wash it loose. Also, detangling with a conditioner that has great slip is key... nothing in the world ever came close to giovanni's sas when it came to slip and detangling.

Split ends... hmm.. cant help much here... but my fine hair hates hates heat whether natural or relaxed.. i say trim the splits and back off d heat..

If u r trying to get to waist lenght then unfortunately u have to up your ps'ing game... aka.. just remain in twists... took me a long time to accept that the only thing my natural hair likes is twists... no out or straight styles.... goodluck.. hopefully others can chime in... all your conditioners have some protein in them.. can you alternate with a purely moisture dc? As a natural u may not need that much protein.
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Old 04-11-2012, 09:51 AM
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Glad you are figuring it out.

About the matting, washing and detangling in sections is d way to go... with my natural hair texture.. i couldnt dare wash it loose. Also, detangling with a conditioner that has great slip is key... nothing in the world ever came close to giovanni's sas when it came to slip and detangling.

Split ends... hmm.. cant help much here... but my fine hair hates hates heat whether natural or relaxed.. i say trim the splits and back off d heat..

If u r trying to get to waist lenght then unfortunately u have to up your ps'ing game... aka.. just remain in twists... took me a long time to accept that the only thing my natural hair likes is twists... no out or straight styles.... goodluck.. hopefully others can chime in... all your conditioners have some protein in them.. can you alternate with a purely moisture dc? As a natural u may not need that much protein.
I find that detangling under the water flow from the shower head really helps with detangling...it's just that I need to do it in sections if I want to reduce matting and tangles.

I'm also thinking about just keeping my hair in braided sections throughout the whole wash and condition process, and then do the detangling on one section at a time before I style my hair in twists.

Back in February, I got a trim that got rid of most of the splits. My ends are still holding up pretty well right now. I just hope I can stick with protective styling in order to achieve waist length hair.

As for conditioners, the Lustrasilk cholesterol is almost gone and I've been trying to use up the Mane N Tail and Suave. Do you have any suggestions for a good moisturizing deep conditioner that is not too expensive? The best moisturizing conditioner my hair has experienced so far was the DevaCurl Heaven In Hair Intense Moisture Treatment. The stylist that trimmed my hair used this on my hair and my hair was super moisturized afterwards. But this conditioner is just too expensive.
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Old 04-11-2012, 10:10 AM
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GREAT.. cheap... moisturizing DC...
Shescentit Avocado Conditioner... 8oz for $6, and 16oz for $11..
You can't beat that... and I promise it's worth it. Sucks that you have to pay for shipping though... but even if you pay $5 for shipping - $16 for 16oz of a great conditioner may not be so bad.

For a store bought DC, I hear great things about the Silk elements olive oil DC from sally's.

For a cheapie rinse out, Garnier fructis triple nutrition condish is a really nice no protein conditioner... and has okay slip. If you have no problems with cones, I hear good things about the HE hello hydration... I hear it has great slip but I never tried it.

Remember, don't eliminate protein entirely... I suffered for that... Giovanni SAS is pretty good for a light protein.. u can use moisture DC's twice, and Aphogee 2 minute the 3rd wash.

With your hair texture... I think you should keep it twisted or braided and wash without taking them down... Then take em out individually... apply conditioner, detangle under running water and re-twist/braid.

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I find that detangling under the water flow from the shower head really helps with detangling...it's just that I need to do it in sections if I want to reduce matting and tangles.

I'm also thinking about just keeping my hair in braided sections throughout the whole wash and condition process, and then do the detangling on one section at a time before I style my hair in twists.

Back in February, I got a trim that got rid of most of the splits. My ends are still holding up pretty well right now. I just hope I can stick with protective styling in order to achieve waist length hair.

As for conditioners, the Lustrasilk cholesterol is almost gone and I've been trying to use up the Mane N Tail and Suave. Do you have any suggestions for a good moisturizing deep conditioner that is not too expensive? The best moisturizing conditioner my hair has experienced so far was the DevaCurl Heaven In Hair Intense Moisture Treatment. The stylist that trimmed my hair used this on my hair and my hair was super moisturized afterwards. But this conditioner is just too expensive.
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Hair profile? E.g 4B, really fine strands, density..
4a natural normal density & fine strands i think

Reggie and products? E.g wash and DC weekly with X, Y, and Z products
Weekly-prepoo, wash in sections, condition, detangle wide tooth comb under water, add leave in, air dry in 6 big twists. Baggy 5 nights at least, DC every other week on dry hair, rinse, air dry. M & S daily. S & D weekly. Use aphogee 2 min as needed.
KCKT,KCCC,AOHSR,CD SMOOTHIES, ALOE VERA JUICE, EVOO, EVCO, CD HAIR BUTTER

How do you style your hair? E.g I wear it out, or bun etc
I wear a bun 85-90% of the time. I straighten my hair 4-6 times per year. I normally wrap or pin curl to maintain style.

What problems do you have with your hair?
Split ends galore. I recently had about an inch taken off maybe a month ago. Im thinking if going back again this week to remove another .5 inch. I beleive my.splits are being caused by color that i have at the ends of my hair from streaks a couple of years ago. Any tips on preventing split ends?

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@sherrimberri Do you moisturize and seal your ends when you take down your bun? Since your ends are out of the way, wet them with some AJ, then add your hair butter to baby your ends.

ETA: I had to cut my color hair off and maintain at shoulder length for 2 years. My fine strands were ok for the most part, but it seemed like my hair was perpetually dry. I wasn't as diligent about my protein/moisture balance at that time though, so I would try to salvage my ends if I were you.
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Never colored my hair in my life... so I can't say... How many inches of color do you have left? If it's little, it won't hurt at all to let go of all of it... Again, in my experience... Fine natural hair and heat do not go hand in hand...

Calling @Nonie for more insight or if she knows any color treated naturals..
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@NappyNelle @judy4all i do i have to baby my ends. And im guilty of not sealing all the time. I will definetly try the aloe vera juice at my ends and seal to see how it works. Thanks im to chicken to cut all my color because it was streaked so its not even and my hair is layered so i will lose alot of healthy strands as well. I will definetely trim more this year as well.

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Never colored my hair in my life... so I can't say... How many inches of color do you have left? If it's little, it won't hurt at all to let go of all of it... Again, in my experience... Fine natural hair and heat do not go hand in hand...

Calling @Nonie for more insight or if she knows any color treated naturals..
@judy4all, I know nuffin about color, I'm afraid.

@sherrimberri, it sounds like your hair may be damaged in the area where you had color. Once the splits are there, there really isn't anyway to fix them but to cut them off. Leaving them behind just gives them time to wreak havoc on the rest of your hair. Your regimen sounds find so clearly you're not doing anything that could be causing splits. Sounds to me like they were already there. Remember splits are not just there when we can see them. They start off small at a scale the naked eye can't see. So there's no telling how long they've been around. Oh and S&D is not a thorough method for removing splits. So you could be anal in that but still leave splits behind. A trim all over is the only way to ensure you get them all. But even that trim has to be cutting above the tear of the split, which is why doing it regularly may be the only way to keep splits from thwarting your progress.
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Split ends galore. I recently had about an inch taken off maybe a month ago. Im thinking if going back again this week to remove another .5 inch. I beleive my.splits are being caused by color that i have at the ends of my hair from streaks a couple of years ago. Any tips on preventing split ends?
@sherrimberri I colored my natural hair about two years ago and 60% of it is still colored. My tips are to keep the hair stretched and practice heavy sealing on your ends. Don't give them opportunities to knot on each other. When using heat, air on the side of caution, for example try air-drying first then flat ironing instead of blow-drying and flat ironing.

Periodically using aphogee 2-step has really helped reinforce my strands as well.


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Hair profile? 4b/ cnapp with medium density strands and 60% shrinkage.

Reggie and products? Wash 1-2x per week or whenever my hair needs it. Dr. Bronner's peppermint Castile, HEHH with lots of oil added, HE LTR leave in, EVOO, JO, and avocado oil.

How do you style your hair? Due to having to wear a hard hat I never wear my hair loose. It's usually in some type of braids with extensions. I do leave most of the edge area out as I'm on a 'get my edges back' journey after dealing with bad braiders.

What problems do you have with your hair? Just my edges. But I know what I need to do to get those back.
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Matting in the shower is an easy fix. Definately do it in sections. It is very helpful to have a conditioner with slip. The best way to get slip is to add oil to your conditioner. I put about half a cup- 1 cup of EVOO in my large bottle of HEHH. Once you've finished Detangling one section make sure you twist/ pin it up to keep it out the way.
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I wouldn't say I'm struggling.
I'm just 1) really trying to find one staple line that i can use-made a thread about it. I thought i had found it all in the argan oil, but alas, my hair is not a fan of the leave-in.
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Hair profile?

Mostly 4a with some 3c parts, mostly fine strands with coarser crown, hi density

Reggie and products?

poo-Shea moisture coconut hibiscus or Aphogee moisturizing shampoo
cowash-V05 naturals clarifying conditioner
condition-Aphogee balancing conditioner, L'Oreal curl conditioner
dc-Shea moisture DT Masque, Queen Helene Cholesterol
leave in-Aphogee leave in, or kimmaytube mix
styling-Ecostyler with Argan oil

How do you style your hair?

recent switched from a puff to gelling hair back and wearing a fake puff.

What problems do you have with your hair?

environment is very dry with high pollution. recent got filter for hard water. as it grows, i'm getting more ssks and split ends. loose hair catching on the ssks. SSKs catching SSKs. because of the different textures, i have different types of curl definition and frizz. having difficulty with moisture/protein balance. a bit discouraged with wigs, i can seem to find the right style--i still feel like, if my hair were longer, it would be easier for me to PS.

on coloring....as someone who was dealing with it when i first joined LHCF, cut off the color. especially if the ends feel straw-like. i learned hardwater and color don't mix and the best thing was to just get rid of the colored ends. made a big difference.
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Braids with extension may be causing u more harm even though u r leaving out... spraying water on my edges nightly with water and massaging with jbco before i went to bed helped a lot for me ... i struggle with my edges due to horrible relaxers growing up...
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I wouldn't say I'm struggling.
I'm just 1) really trying to find one staple line that i can use-made a thread about it. I thought i had found it all in the argan oil, but alas, my hair is not a fan of the leave-in.
2) SOOOO FRICKING BORED. ugh. i'm tired of my hair right now. don't wanna see it, touch it, moisturize it, comb it. this is dangerous for me because the last two times i was hair bored:
got a bob
shaved the side of my head
so what now?
Lol.. i know... trying to find all your staples in one brand is indeed an arduous task... .. i tried.. but didnt work... buying and trying stuff is fun imo... im trying to nail down my staples but try different moisturizers or cowashing conditioners... unfortunately i cant help u with u hair.. twist it, braid it, or do a 360 on it... lol
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@nisemac so sorry u r struggling... i dont know if the pollution in ur area negatively affects ur hair but it certainly doesnt do u good...

Ssk's ... you have to ps in twists/braids given ur length... i know u mentioned u cant find a wig.. can u di a full weave? Kinky twists? Using a heavy cream to seal like qhemet's aohc should help tp keep it soft and avoid catching itself..

Split ends.... u have to get a trim.. they are not worth hanging on to...

Protein moisture... easiest way is to alternate your dc's with moisture.. and then protein.. until u learn what ur hair wants...since u wear your hair out, mosture dc frequently like 2-3 times a week...

Hopefully others can chime in...
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This is exactly the thread I need!

Hair profile? 4A

Reggie and products? co-wash every 3 or so days , Currently using the Aubrey line HSR and GBP (?) protein for DC followed by HSR conditioner for moisture

How do you style your hair? Pretty much wash and go and re-twist at night

What problems do you have with your hair?

When wet my hair is moist, has great curl def, no tangles or anything because I've recently gone through a major cut. HOWEVER, after it dries have mercy, it looks like a dry brillo pad. I usually co-wash, add knot today, and twist with shea butter or bee mine bee curly. It looks great when I leave the house but a few hours later it is dry and definition is GONE.

Help!
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