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Re: Is Suicide a Sin?
Nonie, I hear what you are saying, but you did not commit suicide because you were of sound mind and you were angry and not "mentally disturbed" You knew what you were doing was wrong. The majority of people who committ suicide aren't of sound mind and therefore are unable to tell right from wrong.
Between my husband and I we have about 10 bibles in our home. All of them say "Thou shall not murder" and not "kill". There is a difference between murder and kill. God often ordered people to be "killed" but not to be murdered.
As someone said only God knows the real truth and that is true. I do know that's not going to be the first question I asked when I get to heaven. I'm just going to be happy to be there. By then it's not going to even matter with me. Everyone has their own opinion and that's okay with me  , and prayerfully with everyone else. As far as your friend committing suicide because of money problems, that may or may not have been true, even if it is, it doesn't sound like what a person in their right mind would do. We will never know what causes a person to commit suicide, God is the only one who truly knows.
While I am unable to speak for all who commit suicide, I can speak for my son who joined God at His Throne.
It's always interesting to hear everyone version of the bible and how it's interperted by them.
I will soon be meeting with a lady who works with my hubby who just lost her 21 year old daughter to suicide. She needs hope, peace and comfort right now, not weather or not her child committed a sin. She told my hubby she wants to know how I survived it. It was by the same God who I depend on daily. That is one of the blessings that came out of my son committing suicide, I have been able to talk /help people who have experienced the loss of a child, either by suicide or other means. God uses us in spite of the pain and trials we go through.
God's love & blessings to everyone.
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11-12-2009, 06:46 PM
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Re: Is Suicide a Sin?
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Originally Posted by Coffee
Nonie, I hear what you are saying, but you did not commit suicide because you were of sound mind and you were angry and not "mentally disturbed" You knew what you were doing was wrong. The majority of people who committ suicide aren't of sound mind and therefore are unable to tell right from wrong.
Between my husband and I we have about 10 bibles in our home. All of them say "Thou shall not murder" and not "kill". There is a difference between murder and kill. God often ordered people to be "killed" but not to be murdered.
As someone said only God knows the real truth and that is true. I do know that's not going to be the first question I asked when I get to heaven. I'm just going to be happy to be there. By then it's not going to even matter with me. Everyone has their own opinion and that's okay with me  , and prayerfully with everyone else.
While I am unable to speak for all who commit suicide, I can speak for my son who joined God at His Throne.
It's always interesting to hear everyone version of the bible and how it's interperted by them.
I will soon be meeting with a lady who works with my hubby who just lost her 21year old daughter. She needs hope, peace and comfort right now, not weather or not her child committed a sin. She told my hubby she wants to know how I survived it. It was by the same God who I depend on daily.
God's love & blessings to everyone.
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When you say that I didn't commit suicide because I had a sound mind, I get the feeling that you assume I stopped myself; that I came to my senses and didn't do it. How about if I tell you it's coz I got lucky and failed?
Not everyone that commits suicide is mentally ill, Coffee. Your son might've been. But many people just give up on God or don't give God a chance or don't think of Him or don't even know of Him. Without God, you can sink into despair, into anxiety, into crime, etc. With God you can have the fruit of the Spirit and life abundantly.
If we make excuses for suicide, we might as well make excuses for homicide too, and rape, and theft...and say "They are not of sound mind". But we all know that's not always the case. We know there are people who do wrong knowing it's wrong as long as they can get away with it.
People not in the Lord don't really believe that there is such a thing as eternal life or condemnation; or heaven or hell; or life after death for that matter. Some might believe there's life after death but only in the sense of reincarnation as something/someone else and usually they hope it'll be better than what they are today so might choose to take a gamble and end this life to see what they'll return as next--after all, they could just repeat the process if they hate that too. People like that are not mentally ill. They just chose to ignore everything God has given us to show us that He is.
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18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
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28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
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11-12-2009, 07:32 PM
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Re: Is Suicide a Sin?
Nonie, I'm not trying to make you come over to my way of thinking. As I said we have different understandings of the bible and its meaning. You believe one way and I believe another, would be a dull world if we all thought and believed the same. This question won't be answered here on earth, I think we can both agree to that. We can agree to disagree and respect each others beliefs and end it on that note. It's been interesting hearing your thoughts. Have a blessed evening.
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