View Full Version : What REALLY Sends Someone to HELL?
cocoberry10
2008-04-12, 07:30 AM
Hello Ladies:
I was just thinking about this. I know in church, they teach that admitting that you are a sinner and that Jesus Christ is Lord is necessary to "enter the narrow gates of Heaven."
My question is.......what really sends someone to Hell? (I ask this hoping that no one goes to Hell, but realizing that it is probably a real place).
Is it not living out God's will for your life?
Is it sin alone? (I figure not, b/c we are all human, therefore, we all sin)
Is it something else?
Hope someone will have insight!:yep:
FoxyScholar
2008-04-12, 09:17 AM
If I had to narrow it down, I would say it's a toss up between DISOBEDIENCE and SERVING OTHER GODS/IDOLATRY.
HeChangedMyName
2008-04-12, 01:42 PM
I would say that not believing in Jesus and wanting in your heart to be in God's presence is the only way to get a one way ticket to Hell. The reason I say that is because the most horrible person could repent and accept Jesus at the very last milli-second of their life and God would accept them. If you die not wanting to see God and then in the second coming, you still don't believe, then you will probably go to hell. Even the most non-believing person alive, will still have an opportunity to accept Jesus, just as it is layed out in the Book of Revelation.
cocoberry10
2008-04-12, 05:15 PM
If I had to narrow it down, I would say it's a toss up between DISOBEDIENCE and SERVING OTHER GODS/IDOLATRY.
Interesting, could you expound???
Looking for more answers!
FoxyScholar
2008-04-12, 06:39 PM
Interesting, could you expound???
Looking for more answers!
Disobedience: start with the 10 Commandments (Exodus 20). That pretty much covers everything that a Christian should or should not do/conduct him/herself.
1And God spake all these words, saying,
2I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3Thou shalt have no other gods before me. ("gods" of ANY KIND: animal, vegetable, or mineral)
4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. (IDOLATRY)
5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. (BLASPHEMY)
8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. (???? there's a modern-day principle but I'm not exactly sure what the link is)
9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. (RESPECT PARENTS/PROPER AUTHORITY)
13Thou shalt not kill. (MURDER...shedding of INNOCENT blood)
14Thou shalt not commit adultery. (incl. FORNICATION of any kind)
15Thou shalt not steal. (self explanatory)
16Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. (LIE/DECEIT)
17Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ***, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's. (COVET/JEALOUSY/ENVY)
My second point about idolatry is that before the Lord returns, the Gospel of Jesus Christ shall be preached and heard to every human thing on the planet so that they will have the opportunity to CHOOSE JESUS CHRIST as their LORD and SAVIOR (GOD) before He returns (Matthew 24:14: "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.").
So as the first commandment says: "thou shalt have no other gods before me". If you don't choose Jesus as your Lord and Savior God, then you have automatically chosen ANOTHER God. That's a form of idolatry.
I recognize that this will not go over well with atheists and agnostics and LOA'ers and like kind.
cocoberry10
2008-04-12, 06:56 PM
Thanks RR! Bumping for more responses!:yep:
Ms.Honey
2008-04-12, 10:47 PM
There is no way for us to know who is going to heaven and who is going to hell and it is not for us to know. We can't judge an individuals life and say he isn't going to heaven because there's no way to know his situation and it's not for us to assume (Romans 10:6-7)
Everyone is born bound for hell (we are born in sin shaped in iniquity) separated from God forever because we are offensive to Him because of our sins ( your righteousness is but a filthy rag [used sanitary napkin] to me).Children 12 and under are not accountable for their sins and are not at risk of going to hell(13 and under for orphans) regardless of religious beliefs or lack thereof. They become accountable for their own sins at those ages (ex. Bar mitvahs and Bat mitvahs can't think of the scriptual reference right now). The Gospel has to be preached to every individual and the free gift of salvation is offered and is ours to accept or reject (He has given unto EVERY man the measure of faith to believe upon Him) If accepted salvation is guaranteed (anyone who cals on the name of the Lord shall be saved). If the gospel has not been preached to the individual they are judge differently than one who has rejected Him (All of Romans 10 and Romans 10:14-15) There are other scriptures but it's late and I can't think right now:look:
metamorfhosis
2008-04-12, 11:18 PM
Here are some bible verses to keep in mind:
Matthew 7:20-23 (New King James Version)
20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
I Never Knew You
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
cocoberry10
2008-04-13, 09:17 PM
Thanks for the responses ladies. I do agree with you MS Honey. I definitely don't think we can know who is going to heaven or hell, but I wanted to get an understanding of what things seem to push someone there!
discobiscuits
2008-04-14, 12:27 AM
Read II Peter Chapter 2.
IMO, simply put - sin is what gives us our boarding ticket to hell. (Paraphrased) 2 Peter 2 says that it was sin that caused the angels to be sent to hell and stay till judgment day. Sin, without repentance, is what does it (IMO). The bible states that in the end (saved & unsaved, human & angel), every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord and it also states that now, currently, in this age, that even some of those who live and have called Jesus' name will be turned away. MSHONEY and metamorfhosis gave the scriptures already.
Sin is a heart condition: the state of one's heart. Is it for God and righteousness or not? Sin-repentance = death & hell
Ms.Honey
2008-04-14, 08:24 AM
I think there are so many variables that decide who goes and who doesn't I'm glad I can't know. I wish no one would ever have to go but it's a choice. We can't know who will and will not go but we can be assured of this: God is good and merciful. He understands us and knows our weaknesses. No one goes to hell without the offer of salvation. God gives us the opportunity to go to heaven instead of hell with a simple, clear offer of salvation that we are fully aware that we are receiving and have the offer to accept or reject. Some reject by resistance, "I don't want to give up this or that I rather have so and so instead of salvation", they just don't want to give up the world. He gives the offer through someone who he has sent or He offers it directly Himself like He did with Paul on the Damascus road.
MoonstoneBlu
2008-04-14, 10:48 AM
It's ultimately a person's sins -sin nature- that will take them to hell as the wages (penalty) of sin is (spiritual) death. So as the bible says, we have all fallen short of the glory of God and cannot be pleasing in His sight without accepting His gift of salvation by grace through faith. An unregenerate man cannot enter heaven, like Jesus said, you must be born again.
It takes repentance and remission of sins to enter heaven and remission of sins is available only through Jesus Christ, whose blood continually cleanses us from all unrighteousness (summed up clearly in 1 John 1:5-9, particularly in the Amplified).
infojunkie
2008-04-14, 11:42 AM
I would say that not believing in Jesus and wanting in your heart to be in God's presence is the only way to get a one way ticket to Hell. The reason I say that is because the most horrible person could repent and accept Jesus at the very last milli-second of their life and God would accept them. If you die not wanting to see God and then in the second coming, you still don't believe, then you will probably go to hell. Even the most non-believing person alive, will still have an opportunity to accept Jesus, just as it is layed out in the Book of Revelation.
Ditto.:yep:
Nice & Wavy
2008-04-14, 11:47 AM
For God desires that all come unto repentance and NO ONE to perish!
The next question should be: What are you doing to lead people to Christ so that they don't find themselves separated from God for eternity?
cocoberry10
2008-04-14, 11:55 AM
For God desires that all come unto repentance and NO ONE to perish!
The next question should be: What are you doing to lead people to Christ so that they don't find themselves separated from God for eternity?
This is a very good question!:yep:
kweenameena
2008-04-21, 11:26 AM
bumping.............great thread:yep:
justsimply
2008-04-22, 01:16 AM
I don't think it's about what you can do to go to hell, but what you have to do to go to heaven. So it's more like what you DON"T do that sends you to hell. Romans 10:9 tells us what is required to get to heaven. Thank God we don't have to worry about if we're good enough.
I think that obedience and how we live our life isn't about trying to get to get to heaven or avoid going to hell, but rather it is a manifestation of our gratefulness, reverence and love for God. We tend to want to please those we love and respect.
IMO there is nothing that we can do that seals our fate one way or the other, other than our beliefs and confession. We could never be good enough of ourselves to avoid hell.
Caramela
2008-04-22, 09:33 AM
Disobedience to the will of God as outlined and detailed in the Bible.
Ms.Honey
2008-04-23, 12:45 PM
It is impossible for anyone to keep the commandments. That's why the bible says that WHEN we sin not IF we sin we have an advocate in Jesus. He is the only one who has been able to do it. If it were possible for us to keep the commandments then Jesus wouldn't have had to die as a sacrifice for our sins. He is our Advocate(Lawyer) and intercedes on our behalf to God our Father for the remission of our sins.
shortdub78
2008-04-23, 03:34 PM
I'm going to just put this out there and I might sound silly, but I'm being open and honest.
How does one truly repent? I mean there are things that I have asked for God to forgive me for and yet I still do them. Everytime I go to church and they do alter call stating if you feel you are not right with God, come foward, I feel that I have to go up there. I'm tired of going up. I have been baptisted twice, I have confessed with my mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord over and over. How do I know that I'm truly saved? Do I have to read my bible everyday? Do I have to go to church every Sun and become active in a ministry? Do I have to volunteer and give whenever possible? Do I have to tithe every paycheck? How many times to I have to pray? I know I'm asking a lot of questions, but I'm confused about my christian walk? That whole faith without works is really getting to me. I feel like I have to walk on eggshells in order to be right with God. I think this is what caused me to backslide before. It seems like someone can follow all of the commandments, but still not be right with Jesus. How do I know if my heart is right when I have bad thoughts sometimes? I hope someone can respond? Also, how can you become rightous without being self-rightous and turn people away from Christ?
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