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HWAY
2007-04-08, 06:28 PM
What does the ressurection mean to you as a Christian? I'm in the process of reexamining my faith and recently had a discussion with my daughter on this subject. She has many questions and made me realize I'm questioning many of the things I've been taught. Please answer with scriptural references so I can do research.

FoxyScholar
2007-04-08, 06:37 PM
What are you questions?

HWAY
2007-04-08, 06:45 PM
Her question is if Jesus is God, how did he die? She cannot understand how God can die. I was raised as a baptist but somehow never believed in the trinity. She was not raised in the church. Lately and especially when she mentioned conversations with her classmates, she raised this question. No one of her college classmates has been able to prove her viewpoint as wrong. I'm reading the bible now and have discovered many of my beliefs are unscriptural.

ashmack
2007-04-08, 06:50 PM
I Corinthians 15:12-20

Verse 14: And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and hyour faith is also in vain.

Verse 17: And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain, ye are yet in your sins.

Verse 19: If in this life only we have hope in Christ, are of all men most miserable.

I have also questioned my faith before, and I believe that all Christians should question their faith in order to know exactly what they believe in. I hope these scriptures help you in your search for more meaning. To me, the resurrection of Christ is the foundation of my faith. Without the resurrection of Christ I might as well practice any other religion in the world. If Christ did not rise up from the dead, then there would be no hope in life, no reassurace. Just as Verse 19 states, men would be miseable in life knowing that this life here on earth is as good as it gets. To me, knowing that Christ stepped down from his throne in Heaven in order to come to Earth to die for MY sins means a lot. It means that I know that the price for my sins have been paid already and if I confess, believe, and pray unto the Lord Jesus, I shall be saved. Praise God!

Many people have come upon this Earth and have claimed to be the Messiah. Many religions believe in God and worship men who have come upon this earth with claims to save them. However, their 'gods' are not alive. My savior lives. Buddah is not a living god, Muhammed is not a living god. When put to the test, other 'gods' and 'saviors' have died, and have remained dead. My God did not stay dead. The fact that my God lives and was resurrected proves to me that the word of God is the truth. Jesus came to this earth and fullfilled every prophecy that was written about him hundreds of years before he came to earth. And just as the Bible teaches, Jesus will return upon this earth for his people. God Bless.

ashmack
2007-04-08, 07:08 PM
Her question is if Jesus is God, how did he die? She cannot understand how God can die. I was raised as a baptist but somehow never believed in the trinity. She was not raised in the church. Lately and especially when she mentioned conversations with her classmates, she raised this question. No one of her college classmates has been able to prove her viewpoint as wrong. I'm reading the bible now and have discovered many of my beliefs are unscriptural.

I'm sorry, I did not see this post when i wrote my other long post. I'm sorry. :ohwell: Several easters ago a pastor preached a sermon exactly answering this question, but I sadly don't have the verses. First we must realize that we are humans and we can't comprehend how God does everything. God is Jesus. God sent a part of himself down to earth in human form, Jesus. Jesus was both God and human at the same time. Men are born into this world sinners, but Jesus (because he was also God) never sinned. However, in order to suffer and pay the cost for our sins he also had to be human. This is why Jesus felt hunger like a man, felt pain like a man, cried like a man, hurt like man, and suffered the physical pain of man. Exactly how Jesus can be both God and man at the same time is not fully explained in the Bible because frankly I believe it's beyond's man's complete understanding. I would not expect that if I explained the complexities of biology to a child that they could understand all the concepts. Nor can we expect to think that we as humans can understand everything that is God. This is where our faith comes in. There is always room for doubt, but supplement all your knowledge with faith. HTH! God bless!

HWAY
2007-04-08, 07:22 PM
You are correct. I must exercise my faith in the bible and allow it to be the final authority in all things. If the bible says a thing is so, it must be so. There are doctrines I must unlearn.

Enchantmt
2007-04-08, 08:16 PM
This might help you:

http://doctrinalstudies.com/BasicStudies/ChucksStudy1/bible.htm

HWAY
2007-04-08, 08:37 PM
Thank you. I'm going to read these studies.

Mocha5
2007-04-08, 09:55 PM
Her question is if Jesus is God, how did he die?


I can see how this could be confusing to her. Explain to her that God didn't have to die. He sent His son to be the ultimate sacrifice because He loves us so much. Because Jesus died on the cross, we have a relationship with God.

She definitely needs to understand the concept of the Trinity. Anymore questions, feel free to PM. I have children and we have interesting discussions about God. I'm thankful that the Holy Spirit always gives me wisdom in answering their questions. After we're done, I'm always like "Wow, God! That was good teaching...even for me." LOL!

HWAY
2007-04-09, 06:23 AM
"He sent His son to be the ultimate sacrifice because He loves us so much. Because Jesus died on the cross, we have a relationship with God."

She understands this concept. She believes Jesus is God's Son. I've been doing research on how the Jews understood the concept of Jesus claim to be God's Son. I've also been reading the bible as text instead of scriptures in isolation. It will take time and prayer. I have to fuuly believe in order to teach her.

dicapr
2007-04-09, 08:42 AM
What view of the trinity are you looking for scriptures on. Do you believe that God-Jesus-Holy Spirit are one in the same or that they are three separate beings that act as one? Different belief systems believe differently or are you looking for scriptures on both?

HWAY
2007-04-09, 08:58 AM
I'm loking for scriptures that support the trinity. For a very long time, I've not believed the trinity. Since studying the book of John and Hebrews, I'm faced with the question of what being a Christian really means. To develop a relation with Jesus, I must know who Jesus really is and what he has done for me.

HWAY
2007-04-09, 09:01 AM
I can understand God being the Holy Spirit. God is a spirit and we pray for for the Holy Spirit to teach and correct us. My problem is I've never thought of Jesus as equal to God the Father.

dreamer26
2007-04-09, 03:11 PM
I can understand God being the Holy Spirit. God is a spirit and we pray for for the Holy Spirit to teach and correct us. My problem is I've never thought of Jesus as equal to God the Father.

Hway,
This is good that you want to know for yourself. The bible say that my people perish for lack of knowlege and I commend you in your quest.

I also want to say as you began this quest seek and ask God to open up your understanding pertaining to the scriptures that you will read.

Man can give you scriptures and tell you but only God can bring you revelation/understanding.

Now just to answer some of your questions as I believe it to be. The word trinity is not found in the bible but:

1 John 5:7 says: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the father, the word, and holy ghost and these three are one.

John: 10:30 says: I and my father are one.

In order for God to redeem man back to himself we needed a savior. One that knew no sin. Moses couldn't do it, Joshua couldn't do it, David couldn't do it they all had sin in their life.
So God being the only one without sin created a body for himself. God couldn't come into the world as a spirit he had to come as a man as the perfect example for you and I. He had to enter into the earth realm just like you and I, through a woman. If he enter into the earth any other way other than by birth he would have been an alien. So God followed his own laws and became flesh. (Jesus)

This is hard to comprehend using only your interlect. It takes belief and faith. That's why I said seek God for revelation and understanding.

I hoped this helped.

Be blessed.

ashmack
2007-04-09, 03:18 PM
Hway,
This is good that you want to know for yourself. The bible say that my people perish for lack of knowlege and I commend you in your quest.

I also want to say as you began this quest seek and ask God to open up your understanding pertaining to the scriptures that you will read.

Man can give you scriptures and tell you but only God can bring you revelation/understanding.

Now just to answer some of your questions as I believe it to be. The word trinity is not found in the bible but:

1 John 5:7 says: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the father, the word, and holy ghost and these three are one.

John: 10:30 says: I and my father are one.

In order for God to redeem man back to himself we needed a savior. One that knew no sin. Moses couldn't do it, Joshua couldn't do it, David couldn't do it they all had sin in their life.
So God being the only one without sin created a body for himself. God couldn't come into the world as a spirit he had to come as a man as the perfect example for you and I. He had to enter into the earth realm just like you and I, through a woman. If he enter into the earth any other way other than by birth he would have been an alien. So God followed his own laws and became flesh. (Jesus)

This is hard to comprehend using only your interlect. It takes belief and faith. That's why I said seek God for revelation and understanding.

I hoped this helped.

Be blessed.

Nicley put! It is so great to question things and it's also so hard for us to understand everything at times. Just pray for understanding and God will lead you there. :)

live2bgr8
2007-04-10, 10:16 AM
Hway,
This is good that you want to know for yourself. The bible say that my people perish for lack of knowlege and I commend you in your quest.

I also want to say as you began this quest seek and ask God to open up your understanding pertaining to the scriptures that you will read.

Man can give you scriptures and tell you but only God can bring you revelation/understanding.

Now just to answer some of your questions as I believe it to be. The word trinity is not found in the bible but:

1 John 5:7 says: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the father, the word, and holy ghost and these three are one.

John: 10:30 says: I and my father are one.

In order for God to redeem man back to himself we needed a savior. One that knew no sin. Moses couldn't do it, Joshua couldn't do it, David couldn't do it they all had sin in their life.
So God being the only one without sin created a body for himself. God couldn't come into the world as a spirit he had to come as a man as the perfect example for you and I. He had to enter into the earth realm just like you and I, through a woman. If he enter into the earth any other way other than by birth he would have been an alien. So God followed his own laws and became flesh. (Jesus)

This is hard to comprehend using only your interlect. It takes belief and faith. That's why I said seek God for revelation and understanding.

I hoped this helped.

Be blessed.

I agree with pretty much all of this statement and to add... I believe it was his "flesh body" that died on the cross. His spiritual body (perfected body) was resurrected. Just like believers will recieve a spiritual (eternal) body upon the final ressurection.

Please see the following passage about resurrection:

1 Corinthians 15:35-50-- this whole passage adresses the resurrection and basically describes our current body as a seed. When we plant a seed into the ground it doesn't look anything like a flower, shrub, or tree. I believe this is why the disciples did not fully recognize Him until he revealed His wounds.

AND

Please see these passages about Jesus as God, the Son:

1) John 11:25-26 Jesus claiming to be life and resurrection:
2) John 14:4-11 Jesus claims to be the [only] way, the [only] truth, the [only] life. He also describes His relationship with the Father. The bracketed part is my interpretation.

3) John 1 (the whole chapter) This passage ties in with 1 John 5:7. It talks about the Word being flesh. (I believe in the person of Jesus Christ, He is the only one who has fulfilled every prophecy of the OT from what I understand.)

This is just the tip, but I hope it helps.:) I'm off to look at that other link about doctrinal studies...;)

Enchantmt
2007-04-10, 05:22 PM
I'm off to look at that other link about doctrinal studies...;)

It has good basic info. The site has a few typos on it, but all and all its not bad. If you dont read anything else on it, read "The Attack-satan's strategy". I had to step back from some issues in my life this week and remind myself what is going on, and Who and what I need to trust in. I have had a whole lot of drama come up while I'm at my worse. It is an issue that is emotional and exhausting for me on a good day, let alone now while I am getting over a cold, light headed, coughing and hacking, and just feeling run over. It helped me to refocus.

seraphinelle
2007-04-10, 06:12 PM
Hway,
This is good that you want to know for yourself. The bible say that my people perish for lack of knowlege and I commend you in your quest.

I also want to say as you began this quest seek and ask God to open up your understanding pertaining to the scriptures that you will read.

Man can give you scriptures and tell you but only God can bring you revelation/understanding.

Now just to answer some of your questions as I believe it to be. The word trinity is not found in the bible but:

1 John 5:7 says: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the father, the word, and holy ghost and these three are one.

John: 10:30 says: I and my father are one.

In order for God to redeem man back to himself we needed a savior. One that knew no sin. Moses couldn't do it, Joshua couldn't do it, David couldn't do it they all had sin in their life.
So God being the only one without sin created a body for himself. God couldn't come into the world as a spirit he had to come as a man as the perfect example for you and I. He had to enter into the earth realm just like you and I, through a woman. If he enter into the earth any other way other than by birth he would have been an alien. So God followed his own laws and became flesh. (Jesus)

This is hard to comprehend using only your interlect. It takes belief and faith. That's why I said seek God for revelation and understanding.

I hoped this helped.

Be blessed.

Very nicely put. :)